Medeco can blow the wind out of your sails

by **WhiteHat** » 3 Oct 2004 19:34

I have that same keyway except with a mortice lock - It's not paracentric (I know towch didn't say so, I'm just glad to find out that I'm not going batty.) it has lots of wards but you can move a pick straight up and down without hitting anything.

..not that it contributes to making it easier to pick or anything....

by **logosys** » 3 Oct 2004 20:52

WhiteHat wrote:I have that same keyway except with a mortice lock - It's not paracentric (I know towch didn't say so, I'm just glad to find out that I'm not going batty.) it has lots of wards but you can move a pick straight up and down without hitting anything.

..not that it contributes to making it easier to pick or anything....

I think I have the same one... Smaller than a Schlage mortice?

by **WhiteHat** » 3 Oct 2004 20:59

just slightly yes. mine doesn't appear to have any false notches.

by **logosys** » 3 Oct 2004 21:00

WhiteHat wrote:just slightly yes. mine doesn't appear to have any false notches.

mine doesn't have any vertical false notches, but some of the key pins have a bit cut out of the top of them, much like a spool pin. I guess to prevent reverse picking...

by **TOWCH** » 5 Oct 2004 10:04

Made some new picks yesterday.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/TOWCH2/214_1457-2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/TOWCH2/214_1456-2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/TOWCH2/214_1455-2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/TOWCH2/214_1452-2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/TOWCH2/214_1451-2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/TOWCH2/214_1447-2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/TOWCH2/214_1444-2.jpg

They work alright on a single pin stack but I haven't managed to get two yet. I'm going to keep trying. I figured the bent half diamond was a bit primitive and slow so I decided to rotate the pins the same way the key does. If I actually manage to pick one of these medecos with all 5 pin stacks I'll post the amount of time it took.

by **Buggs41** » 5 Oct 2004 15:50

OUCH!

That is one nasty lock!

by **kiko187** » 5 Oct 2004 16:26

Its scarey just to look at!!

I bow to the picker of those puppies... :shock:

by **raimundo** » 8 Nov 2004 13:41

heres a concept for medeco picks that requires good toolmaking skills, and depends on regular spacing of the pins, and exact angles of twist. this would not be one pic, it would be more like 18. for each of the 6 pin holes, you would make three picks, one for each twist. The twists are exact angles, and the pick tip would have a forked tip that would produce one of these angles, a set of three, would work a single pin, the pick shaft would be made of a length to align it perfectly inder the pin. then all you would need to do is develope whatever feel is necessary so that you would know when you are using the correct angle pick for that position. It hasn't been made yet, but thats the concept. Also, a tensor could be made like a torsion wrench that measures the weight of turning pressure, this should be exactly what it take for the key to turn, pressing back the sidebars, if you have a medeco lock and key, you can feel this as you key it, it is a different feel from any ordinary pin tumbler lock. I am just putting this out there for those pick developers to think about, not to catch flak from the knowitalls

by **quickpicks** » 8 Nov 2004 16:30

I'm gonna have nightmares about that lock for a couple of days. I never imagined them to be that evil :shock:

. well i'll have to stick with Best before I try one of those devils.

by **Hak** » 8 Nov 2004 16:40

lol towch you have the reddest fingers i've ever seen.

by **TOWCH** » 8 Nov 2004 21:11

Now that you mention it, they are kind of red in that picture. I took that along time ago so I don't remember if it was cold or what. Anyway. That's pretty much the concept my picks are based on. I'm planning on making some revisions eventually but here's my experience as of now. I've found the best method is to put the tip of the pick up against the front of the pin I want to set, and push forward. This makes the pin jump and set. Bouncing the tension between high and low while doing this has had the best results but so far I've gotten 3/5 pins on my practice medeco without springs. How springs effect it I won't know until I've mastered all 5 without but I'm guessing it will make it slightly more difficult. The next set I make I plan on making the angles exact instead of guessing(protractor and such), thinning the handles because they're a bit ungly right now, and marking pin positions on the tangs to make things easier. Hopefully I'll be able to get my hands on a biaxial to test these out on because I'm interested in how this will effect the difficulty.

by **Jarod** » 9 Nov 2004 9:57

how do you dissassemble a medeco, locksmith friend gave me one with 72s on the plug, and i wanna tear it apart, i don't think its biaxial, but it is the style with no drivers (if thats possible it looks like http://www.medeco.com/products/products ... ry_ID=225& that kinda) and alot like the pictures in this post, but i wanna get the plug out, any help is appreicated

by **Jarod** » 10 Nov 2004 12:40

ah appaerntly either no one knows what i'm talking about, or nobody knows how to (doubt that)

by **Chucklz** » 10 Nov 2004 17:09

viewtopic.php?t=976&highlight=medeco

by **mastersafecracker** » 18 Dec 2004 11:37

Jarod that medeco lock you have in the link only locks using a sidebar. Best I can remember there is a cresent shaped retaining wafer driven in the side of the lock and peaned over to hold the plug into the outer sleave.
If you look at the treaded part of the sleave it should be there, Just pry it out and pull the plug straight out of the sleave.

Medeco can blow the wind out of your sails

concept for medeco picks

Jarod

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