issue picking a D and B roller door

[toolish]

Hi, been picking for a while, made my own set that I am happy with.
Can hammer 4 pin locks and get often lucky with racking many 5-6 pin locks.
Been having an issue with a simple roller door lock. It is an older looking D and B roller door. Has a metal face with a small 2-3 pin lock.
I can hammer through the drum with little issue, however once the drum is picked it turns very easily 90 degrees then stops. The problem is that the two locking arms that go into the side of the roller door do not retract and the door remains locked, with the drum turning back and forth in that 90 degrees before locking back into the start position .
I even tried to by pass the lock through the lock with no movement, also tried picking it with an over sized tension tool to make any cam behind the drum turn, but no win.
Something is not working as I believe this lock is meant to turn 180 degree and let me in once picked.
Any help would be great

[Squelchtone]

I get the feeling this lock you are picking is actually in use and mounted to a roller door? Am I reading that correctly?

In that case, we highly discourage people from practicing this hobby on live doors that are in use and someone is using to secure something.

Even if you own the door or building or lock, it's still not the best of ideas to be picking it for fun, and I have to say that with only 1 post under your cap, asking about getting into a lock to open a roller door makes a lot of folks feel a little uneasy about helping you. After all, we don't know you from a stranger in the street.

If this is a lock that is not mounted to a door, please show us a photo of the lock in your hand along with the picks you are using, you may upload it to tinypic.com and paste the .jpg link here. Perhaps we can try to help you then. I'm not an expert on Australian or UK lock models so thank you for posting a pic.

Best Regards, thanks for understanding,
Squelchtone

[MBI]

I get the feeling this lock you are picking is actually in use and mounted to a roller door? Am I reading that correctly? ... Even if you own the door or building or lock...
Squelchtone

I think in this case, it's a pretty safe bet he does not own this lock.

Something is not working as I believe this lock is meant to turn 180 degree and let me in once picked.

Because if he had the key to this lock, he could find out for certain the direction and amount that the key needs to be turned in order for it to open.

While Squelchtone was very diplomatic with how he phrased it,
I'm having a rough morning so I'm not feeling quite as gracious.
Something stinks here.

[MortimerDuke]

Wednesday, August 8th:

oh boy, this touchy feely stuff again

Saturday,August 18th:

Best Regards, thanks for understanding,

Who are you, and what have you done with Squelchtone?

[Josh66]

Do they actually make 2 and 3 pin tumblers? I haven't actually seen any, but it seems like a very poor choice on the lock manufacturer's part...

[globallockytoo]

Byrne & Davidson (a.k.a. B&D) are the manufacturers of the 3 pin tumbler roller door lock found quite common all over Australia. Sanwa are another manufacturer who used a similar type lock, yet the Sanwa usually had a thick pin in the center of the key.

Young man - are you dislexic?

The locks are super easy to pick. The keys are mirror imaged each side to allow for keyed operation from both sides of the door. I believe they were discontinued because they couldnt meet IBC.

zif the cylinder is stopping at 90º, it usually means that you are turning the wrong direction or the bars inside are jammed up.

[toolish]

Sorry I should have clarified a bit more in my post about my background (didnt really want to make a massive post)
I work for the NSW Police and currently have a missing person case, There is reason to believe that he may be in the garage. No other windows or doors as it is in a 3 level unit complex.
Tried the real estate and they provided me with a very wide and short little key (2 pin), didnt even fit in lock, neighbors stated they had the locks changed a while back to this newer 2-3 pin lock with a metal frame around lock (from neighbors key this key looks to be much thinner longer) and obviously more difficult to get into (My own roller door has the older lock system and I opened it in around 5 sec, really need a harder lock on it)
I also tried a neighbors lock and it does the same thing when picked, ruling out that someone inside has disabled the lock.
At current the department will not authorise forced entry due to it requiring a wrecking saw to cut the door in half and do a fair amount of damage, especially if the missing person has just gone on an unexpected holiday.
I know this sounds like a nice story and I cant really think of a way to prove it, I guess I could send an email to someone on here from my Police account to confirm my occupation, or if someone wants to call my workplace and confirm my job (this would have to be a private message to an individual)
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globallockytoo - yes it picks easy as, but only turning one direction and i don't feel and part of the locking arms to retract, you think WD40 you help it? also thinking it might be a more force thing, as I can only deliver so much force with a tension tool (bent one trying) and a solid screw driver might be able to deliver it?

[Josh66]

You're a cop, and you're asking on a forum how to get in a lock?

Don't you have a warrant or something? If so, can't you just cut/drill it?


You have lost any credibility you might have had with me...

[Josh66]

A missing person no less, and you're 'wasting time' here??

[averagejoe]

Wednesday, August 8th:

oh boy, this touchy feely stuff again

Saturday,August 18th:

Best Regards, thanks for understanding,

Who are you, and what have you done with Squelchtone?

When they added that "Admin" tag under his name they surgically implanted a "Diplomatic chip" into his brain.

[toolish]

At this stage damage has not been authorised (mainly due to the station not wanting to pay for damages if we get it wrong and the guy is not in there.
In a few weeks it will most likely be authorised and we will just get rescue in to cut the hole and the job will be done. Without getting into too many specifics the guy has been missing for 2 weeks, so as bad as it sounds if he is in the garage he is already dead. If he is not in the garage then he should hopefully turn up soonish, unfortunately he is likely to try and avoid Police due to his history.
My intention is to try and not destroy the guys roller door unless we have to.
That is the situation i am in straight up, as I said I am willing to confirm my occupation by the pre-mentioned methods if someone would like to provide me with their email address.
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Yes I know it sounds like a nice story and I honestly would not believe it and be suspicious like you guys are that I am up to no good. Please let me provide proof of my employment so I can have a bit more credibility back.

[catsoup]

You're a cop, and you're asking on a forum how to get in a lock?

Don't you have a warrant or something? If so, can't you just cut/drill it?


You have lost any credibility you might have had with me...

While Im not specifically defending his somewhat far-fetched story, its really not that unreasonable. I have worked with the police a fair amount in security jobs, and if you are in a more rural area, the police force/sheriffs dept. might not have the resources or non-destructive entry know how. Some things aren't pressing enough to go busting down doors. Though, in the example he gives, it seems like there would be no good reason not to...
Anyway, all im saying is "asking on a forum" isnt so unreasonable when this is such a resource for useful information.
Not every town is LA or NYC, and the police dont know how to do everything, they sometimes have to learn the same way we do.

[Josh66]

It just seems strange to me that "the guy" has been missing for 2 weeks, and will be missing another 2 weeks before they decide to cut the lock.

Who owns the lock? Why can't they open it?

To say that I'm skeptical is an understatement... I apologize in advance if I'm wrong, but I have a hard time believing that this guy is able to prove he is who he says he is.

[catsoup]

I agree - it is, at the very least, strange.

who knows this may end up being pretty entertaining.

[MortimerDuke]

Can't all of you see the obvious?

Squelchtone is in the garage.