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Don't know what I am feeling for inside lock

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Don't know what I am feeling for inside lock

Postby drawman61 » 22 Aug 2012 13:42

Hey all, newbie here. Following some great advice on here and on YouTube I am getting the hang of simple pin tumbler locks. I know what I am looking/feeling for when I insert a pick.
I now have a basic Made in China padlock, 40mm, just says DO IT RIGHT on the side - no name. I believe it to be a wafer lock and here's the problem. I don't feel movement inside and therefore don't know what I should be focusing on as you would with pins.
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Re: Don't know what I am feeling for inside lock

Postby MortimerDuke » 22 Aug 2012 14:01

Forget that lock for now. Without a photo, I can't tell you anything about it,but it is likely a warded lock with nothing really to "pick". You can open them with a modified bicycle spoke or you can spring for some warded lock picks. At this stage you will be much better off practicing on pin tumbler locks and learning how to deal with security pins. The vast majority of locks you will encounter will be of that variety. Good luck.
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Re: Don't know what I am feeling for inside lock

Postby Squelchtone » 22 Aug 2012 16:06

The first step is to have a solid understanding of how a pin tumbler lock actually works. Going in and feeling for something isnt going to open most locks.

Stainbl, a member here, made some wonderful animations, they almost look life like. Anyone who watches them will instantly know what needs to be done inside a lock in order to pick it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wtl2hmHZCLw&feature=watch_response

In case an explanation is needed, after watching it read the next paragraph.

go watch it now.. no peeking before hand..




.. ok, so what you saw was a key inserting into a lock, moving the key pins up, which moved the driver pins out of the way, a shear line was created, and the plug could turn freely, because none of the driver pins or the key pins were in the way to stop it. The key does this for us all at once, and provides a nice handle (the bow of the key) so we can turn the plug. With picking, we use a pick to lift the pins to the correct height, and at the same time we use a tension wrench (turning tool) to start rotating the plug a little, which makes the pins stay up where you lifted them because the sidewalls the pins ride against are now adding some friction because the plug and lock body are not aligned, and the pins stay up. You move your pick back and fourth inside a lock lifting the pins a little and hopefully setting them. Once all the driver pins are all pushed out of the plug, the pressing on the wrench will allow you to open the lock, by either turning the plug 90, 180, or 360 degrees.

As to what you're feeling for, that will come with time, first the need to understand the basic mechanics is the most important thing to focus on.

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Re: Don't know what I am feeling for inside lock

Postby Buzo » 22 Aug 2012 19:51

What does the keyway llok like? Does it look like a regular key (like a house key for instance) or does it look wavy (~~~) or jagged (^^^)?
Its all about the feeling in that instant when you realize... The plug turned!!
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Re: Don't know what I am feeling for inside lock

Postby drawman61 » 23 Aug 2012 10:31

Sorry, guys, I can't add a picture, it says board quota has been reached.
Squelchtone: Perfect answer but the pins type is the one I am ok with. I was looking for exactly this but for wafer locks.
Buzo: Why didn't I think of that? It's probably simpler than the type you mention, (¬ ¬ ¬) sorry, I don't have the symbol to draw it fully. Like the top of a castle wall.
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Re: Don't know what I am feeling for inside lock

Postby drawman61 » 23 Aug 2012 10:54

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Re: Don't know what I am feeling for inside lock

Postby MortimerDuke » 23 Aug 2012 11:02

Do you have the key? And if you do, does it look like a "regular" pin-tumbler key? A warded key (at least the ones I've seen for cheap padlocks) will have square/right-angled cuts.
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Re: Don't know what I am feeling for inside lock

Postby MortimerDuke » 23 Aug 2012 11:04

Ahh. Warded padlock.
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Re: Don't know what I am feeling for inside lock

Postby drawman61 » 23 Aug 2012 11:32

Ah, thanks, Mortimerduke. So now, how should I go about picking this one?
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Re: Don't know what I am feeling for inside lock

Postby MortimerDuke » 23 Aug 2012 11:44

The easiest way is to order picks for warded locks from Southord, stick one in the lock and turn it. I think there's some info on this site about opening warded locks with a bicycle spoke. But, it is not very rewarding and you will hardly use your new-found knowledge. I did the same thing starting out: got a cheap warded padlock, ordered the picks, opened the lock four times after the picks arrived, and haven't picked them up since. There are many better and more interesting locks out there, even in the under $5 range.
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Re: Don't know what I am feeling for inside lock

Postby drawman61 » 23 Aug 2012 11:51

You've answered my Q perfectly, thanks. Don't see the point using a "key" to open it when picking is where the fun is. Thanks for your time.
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Re: Don't know what I am feeling for inside lock

Postby Buzo » 24 Aug 2012 23:33

I didn't want to spend the $10 on a set of warded padlock picks so I made some out of hacksaw blades. They work just fine for padlocks. You just need to know how many levers insde need to be released...
Its all about the feeling in that instant when you realize... The plug turned!!
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