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What is this inlay pin?

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What is this inlay pin?

Postby zeepia » 12 Oct 2012 9:01

Took apart one Assa cylinder (thanks Femurat for the idea, works great!) and found something odd inside.

Nice security pins of course,

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but these two brass driver pins with steel inlays are weird. Why are they produced that way? Steel insert isn´t magnetic but of course grips with one.

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And same design is also with two key pins made of steel:

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Re: What is this inlay pin?

Postby GWiens2001 » 12 Oct 2012 9:04

Those are hardened steel inserts to make the lock more pick resistant.
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Re: What is this inlay pin?

Postby GWiens2001 » 12 Oct 2012 9:06

Oops, I mean DRILL resistant. For the ROTARY pick. :oops:
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Re: What is this inlay pin?

Postby zeepia » 12 Oct 2012 9:07

Thanks, wondered what is the purpose of getting steel insert in a steel pin... :P
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Re: What is this inlay pin?

Postby Josh66 » 12 Oct 2012 9:48

The steel the pin is made of is probably not hardened, to minimize wear & tear on the key.
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Re: What is this inlay pin?

Postby Josh66 » 12 Oct 2012 9:49

Nevermind, lol. Didn't notice that it was a driver pin. It would make more sense to me to just make the whole thing out of hardened steel...
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Re: What is this inlay pin?

Postby femurat » 12 Oct 2012 10:21

You're welcome, my friend :wink:

Very nice security pins. Yes steel pins are for drill resistance. Dunno about the steel insert, maybe the brass around it avoid wear in the chamber...

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Re: What is this inlay pin?

Postby Wizer » 12 Oct 2012 10:51

Are those magnetic, like in my lock?
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Re: What is this inlay pin?

Postby zeepia » 12 Oct 2012 12:19

Driver pins are not but key pins are very slightly magnetic. Not enough to lift anything.
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Re: What is this inlay pin?

Postby cledry » 12 Oct 2012 18:34

The reason they don't make the entire pin out of the hardened material is to save money. They can just ram a bit of drill rod down each and job done, versus machining and then hardening something.
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Re: What is this inlay pin?

Postby lockr » 12 Oct 2012 23:42

cledry wrote:The reason they don't make the entire pin out of the hardened material is to save money. They can just ram a bit of drill rod down each and job done, versus machining and then hardening something.


Yup, that's it exactly. Also what femurat said is correct as well, if you have two dissimilar metals making contact with each other in motion the harder one will win out and abrade the softer metal.
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Re: What is this inlay pin?

Postby atticRR » 13 Oct 2012 8:59

I dont have mine apart yet, but i think you guys are saying that one of the drivers is magnetic and one of the key pins has a steel insert. If this is the case i would posit its a form of bump resistor-providing the two are in the same pinstack.
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