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Biaxial practice lock

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Biaxial practice lock

Postby GWiens2001 » 13 Oct 2012 16:10

Thought I would take apart a Medeco Biaxial to pin it one pin at a time for a practice lock. Took out the first pin and HOLY C@@P!!! :shock: :shock: :shock: I think that I either need to start with NO pins, or put it back together and make a practice lock of a Medeco classic cam instead. :oops:
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Re: Biaxial practice lock

Postby Squelchtone » 13 Oct 2012 19:13

GWiens2001 wrote:Thought I would take apart a Medeco Biaxial to pin it one pin at a time for a practice lock. Took out the first pin and HOLY C@@P!!! :shock: :shock: :shock: I think that I either need to start with NO pins, or put it back together and make a practice lock of a Medeco classic cam instead. :oops:


medeco classic and biaxial mortise or rim cylinders are pretty much the same thing and medeco classic and biaxial cam are pretty much a lot harder because they dont use driver pins.

You'll pick that biaxial mortise cylinder, the cam lock will give you a headache.

But I'm not sure what you meant by taking out the first pin and then going into shock.. so does it have 1 pin stack only now, and you cant even pick that, or does it have 1 pin stack removed and still have 4 or 5 pin stacks installed?

If you need a hand understanding what's going on inside a Medeco lock, we'll be glad to help.

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Re: Biaxial practice lock

Postby GWiens2001 » 13 Oct 2012 19:52

What happened when I pulled the pin was I saw it. It is a Biaxial cam lock. The pin - serrated, striated, false gates, and it was holding a devil's pitchfork, laughing at me, saying "hit me with your best shot". :| I have some other Biaxials, so since you say the mortices are easier, I will check it out. As Medeco goes, I have a classic cam, biaxial IC in a mortice, biaxial KIK , biaxial mortice, and the biaxial cam that I disassembled today. I reassembled it for now.

In the beginning of December, I will be able to apply for access to the advanced forums. As I do not have access yet, I have avoided asking questions on these open forums. Have quite a number of high(er) security locks that I want to learn to open, but will bide my time. I am still able to learn a lot from these public forums, and am able to help others whose learning has been along different lines than mine. Still plan on doing that after I get access.

Still plan on working with the better locks on my own for the time being. Just thought some of you would get a kick out of my response to seeing the pins. Even my ASSA Twin 6000 did not catch me as off guard as the pins on this lock.
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Re: Biaxial practice lock

Postby GWiens2001 » 13 Oct 2012 20:07

The simplified response was that I realized that I need to work more with the other 'mid-level' locks with the more advanced security pins and advance my skills before I take on this particular lock in earnest. Still need to practice more with my 5200 with serrated key and driver pins. Standard spools don't offer me too much difficulty.

Trying to set up a lock picking group here in Tucson. How do you start a Locksport group if you need 2 members of Locksport to recommend you? For now, it will just be a lock picking group. Just bought a bunch of used mortice cylinders of various manufacturers on eBay. Plan on making 6 or 7 practice boards for the group, including one or two with progressively spool pinned boards. No problem with rekeying them. Have a large LAB kit, and plenty of practice repinning the locks.
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