Haliba 70 mm padlock Question

[yono]

Hi pals.. just wondering if anyone has an idea regarding this Haliba Top Security 70 mm padlock? this is just my first encounter of this kind..and after studying the possibilities..how to defeat it and fabricating the possible picktool, luckily i was able to picked it open. it was not as tough as i thought actually. now i want to take out this core..minimizing errors on locating the retaining pin. that holds this core. now the question.. DOES ANYONE HAS ANY IDEA OF THE RETAINING PIN LOCATION? Here is the pictures.. http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn11 ... pdlock.jpg
http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn11 ... mblers.jpg
http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn11 ... pdlock.jpg

and to my fellow locksmiths: (who has no knowledge of it yet.. in picking this lock)
the technique is quite similar with picking abloy padlocks, but just a lot easier than Abloy.
the pick tool and tension wrench i showned here, you can fabricate that by using an ordinary flat key, and the tension wrench is what i called "the praying mantis wrench"
regards.
http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn11 ... memade.jpg

[keysman]

My guess would be : on the opening side of the lock should be a small hole.. fit a small Allen wrench
remove the screw .. then unthread the circle part guarding the keyway .. Hope this helps

[zeepia]

It looks like one of those el cheapo Chinese Abloy knock-offs. Doesn´t necessarily have any kind of retaining pin, at least none which you could take away. That ring around the keyway is usually threaded in. It might be possible to use wrong direction bolt to open it, still doubt that. Some of those front plates are rotating, also providing defence against drilling.

Anyway, good job in picking it with homemade tools! There are commercial picks for those locks, look for disk detainer lock pick.

Let us know if you get it open without a masterkey (AEG or similar...)

[Squelchtone]

nice picking yono! =)

I cant believe they even copied the vertical line on the padlock, almost looks like a real Abloy!

Squelchtone

[Solomon]

The circular bit "guarding" the keyway is held in by a retaining clip and it can simply be prised open. I only learned this myself very recently; never tried to take one apart before and never had to DE one. The chinese ones are a 2 minute pick at an absolute maximum... many will open in under 30 seconds. The picks I made are much simpler; you can see them here. It isn't necessary for the tip to have the "T" shape although with a basic "L" it does seem to matter which direction it's facing. One way you'll get crisp feedback, the other way you feel nothing. Kinda weird.

I see this thread being moved to advanced very soon... or are we allowed to talk about picking these now? I know they're the same mechanism as abloy, but it's kinda like comparing a kwikset with only 4 pins in it to an ASSA in my opinion. I can fly through these but I'd never pick an abloy to save my life. Even the semi-cheap-but-not-too-cheap ones like solex, monterey and kräll will give you a run for your money.

[Raymond]

Check to see if the collar holding the discs in will rotate. If solid, there should be a set screw retainer and the collar will unscrew as previously explained. If it does rotate chances are that they used a spring ring to install the collar. The collar may have a thin groove cut around it into which a not-quite-circular spring steel ring can be pressed in. The body has a matching groove. When pushed together the spring steel pushes out into the body groove locking the two together.

If the tolerances around the collar are tight it will be almost impossible to remove without permanent damage. If the tolerances are loose, a couple of pieces if steel shim can be pushed in to try to free the spring steel ring from the outer groove.

Early Abloys used this retainer technique. Also Illinois-Duo and Chicago.

[yono]

Keysman--thats one of my suspicion too, i'lltry to drill a pilot hole ("somewhere" )might be a window
there. i'll post it in adv. forum when im done. im sure its not allowed here.
Zeepia----the Armor ring is rotating in both directions so it gotta be something, is holding it by the
neck.
squelchstone- you know how some chinese manufacturers(no offense to its people) they play on the
appearance and spelling of the product to mislead the unknowledgeable buyers. believe it
here. YALE.. they have a similar looking product ..they stamp it KALE, CISA--they stamp
it CASA.
Solomon--i had tried that..prying off the armor ring it dont go.. and my instinct said nope.. but i'll
go back to it after Keysman suggestion.
Raymond--the collar is rotable,maybe Keysman is right. cause when i inserted a very thin sim, there
is a part around the armor ring, where my sim goes down a bit like a downslope.
THANKS YOU ALL GUYS for a quick response..and once i figure this out gonna post it in adv. section
in details. Love you guys.

[Raymond]

Note the armored collar has no slots or indentions that would allow it to be unscrewed.

I have made shims from the return spring of auto seatbelts. (Also broken tape measures have great spring steel in them.) (These also make the best padlock shims.) They are much larger than normal cylinder shims and a bit thicker. However, several inserted one at a time can free up the spring steel clip. Insert one and rotate it until it feels like you have contacted one corner of the spring clip. Rotate/push it around a little more until it feels as if you have pushed the clip corner into the groove of the collar. Repeat this process until no more clip corners can be felt. Now attempt to pull the collar out.

[GWiens2001]

Wow... A new use for all the old tape measures laying around. I have at least 4 or 5 extras.

[yono]

For the record Gentlemen.. SOLOMON WAS RIGHT. and as our regulation. i'll post it in advance forum. thanks for all the help.