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Need some help with locks and tools :)

When it comes down to it there is nothing better than manual tools for your Lock pick Set, whether they be retail, homebrew, macgyver style. DIY'ers look here.

Need some help with locks and tools :)

Postby Zanazyr » 16 Oct 2012 13:01

Hello,

I'm new to the forum, as well as pick locking, so i started with trying to pick a padlock. I did this with two paperclips (i'm new to pick locking, so i did not immediately bought a set) and my padlock Abus T84mb/40. Well i haven't picked it yet after 1 1/2 hour :S so i was thinking if it is right to start pick locking with this kind of lock? Could i better start with an easier one? (if there would be an easier lock). Or are my tools just not good? When i was trying to turn the rench my lock doesn't turn..maybe that is what i'm doing wrong?!
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Re: Need some help with locks and tools :)

Postby keysman » 16 Oct 2012 13:06

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Re: Need some help with locks and tools :)

Postby Zanazyr » 16 Oct 2012 16:47

Thank you very much! Are those locks the same in The netherlands? Or does every country has other systems? I'm not sure if we got the same brand here :\
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Re: Need some help with locks and tools :)

Postby zeepia » 16 Oct 2012 21:47

There are some specific lock brands in almost every country and then there are some brands which are global. But principles are the same everywhere, there are easy as pie-locks and pain in the donkey-locks. Abus isn´t the easiest lock because it usually includes at least some security pins and tolerances are tight.

When you are starting this hobby it is important that you get it on the right track from the beginning, therefore I suggest you getting right tools and easy locks to start with. It isn´t so frustrating when your picks don´t bend when picking, you get much better feedback etc. And the price isn´t too much for maybe 4 piece set. You find info for suitable starter pic sets for example here:

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Welcome to the forum and enjoy!
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Re: Need some help with locks and tools :)

Postby Zanazyr » 17 Oct 2012 5:42

Do you think that this lock pick set (for beginners) would be a good choice? http://www.lockpickwinkel.nl/wp-content ... nkel-9.png
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Re: Need some help with locks and tools :)

Postby atticRR » 17 Oct 2012 8:05

that set looks OK, you will need to make more tension wrenches most likely though-which is easy. you may want to find a set of picks that has some hooks and some half diamonds as well, a lot of people really like the half diamond pick.
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Re: Need some help with locks and tools :)

Postby Zanazyr » 17 Oct 2012 13:14

The following link is much better i think?! It got half diamonds..but why are half diamonds more used? Where can i find those terms how those lock picks are called?

Lock pick set: http://www.lockpickwinkel.nl/wp-content ... l.nl2_.jpg
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Re: Need some help with locks and tools :)

Postby atticRR » 19 Oct 2012 7:58

that set certainly looks like it has much larger selection. When i suggested getting a set with half diamonds i suggested that just because it will give you more options to work with. I personally prefer hooks, but i would not have known that unless i had used both.
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Re: Need some help with locks and tools :)

Postby Zanazyr » 19 Oct 2012 8:00

atticRR wrote:that set certainly looks like it has much larger selection. When i suggested getting a set with half diamonds i suggested that just because it will give you more options to work with. I personally prefer hooks, but i would not have known that unless i had used both.


Thank you for your help!
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Re: Need some help with locks and tools :)

Postby Renaldo09 » 16 Apr 2013 1:26

Our Lock Pick Sets are from the best manufacturers and are top quality. Lock Picking Sets come in many sizes and are available in all price ranges. Be careful that when choosing your first lock Lockpicking set you don't use price as your only consideration, because the very first Lockpick Set is likely to last you a good long time and if you pick one with only a few tools in it you're going to want to buy another one before long in order to get hold of a larger variety of pick styles. Better to begin with a moderate sized set and put off that additional purchase for a couple of years. Choose from a huge variety of excellent, professional lock pick sets from manufacturers such as Southord and HPC. We offer professional lockpicking tools in stainless steel and in spring steel. There are also a few pick sets that combine both, such HPC's ProMixer. Lock picks are essential to any locksmith business and we strive to offer only the best at the lowest possible prices. As a leading Locksmith Supply we pride ourselves on selecting the most relevant products for the Locksmith and Security Industries, not to mention the ever-growing hobby sector. Lock picking, in fact, has long been a thriving hobby in many countries of the world, though it is only recently that U.S. clubs have begun to spring up . . . largely as a result of the Internet.
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Re: Need some help with locks and tools :)

Postby MrAnybody » 16 Apr 2013 2:13

Renaldo09 wrote:Our Lock Pick Sets are from the best manufacturers and are top quality. Lock Picking Sets come in many sizes and are available in all price ranges. Be careful that when choosing your first lock Lockpicking set you don't use price as your only consideration, because the very first Lockpick Set is likely to last you a good long time and if you pick one with only a few tools in it you're going to want to buy another one before long in order to get hold of a larger variety of pick styles. Better to begin with a moderate sized set and put off that additional purchase for a couple of years. Choose from a huge variety of excellent, professional lock pick sets from manufacturers such as Southord and HPC. We offer professional lockpicking tools in stainless steel and in spring steel. There are also a few pick sets that combine both, such HPC's ProMixer. Lock picks are essential to any locksmith business and we strive to offer only the best at the lowest possible prices. As a leading Locksmith Supply we pride ourselves on selecting the most relevant products for the Locksmith and Security Industries, not to mention the ever-growing hobby sector. Lock picking, in fact, has long been a thriving hobby in many countries of the world, though it is only recently that U.S. clubs have begun to spring up . . . largely as a result of the Internet.


Humm, not sure what squelchy will think of a some blatant advertising for a first post (or any post for that matter), but since there's some advice in all that, I'd like to give some opinion on those points. Even with advertising, I have no idea of your business since there's (thankfully) no link.

Anyhow, my own experience certainly doesn't match what you're saying Renaldo, so I'll just add something to the mix for Zanazyr. While my first set is still with me, it's been adapted and dropped from use as I've found tools that would suit me better. In fact, any set will contain picks that you will not use or find a good connection with. They'll just get dumped to the bottom drawer leaving space in your case for other stuff.

From that point of view, I'd suggest that a beginner do something like this: buy something like a Southord case such as the C3010, and a selection of hooks, a couple of diamonds and a rake or 2, and make some perfectly respectable tension tools from windshield wiper inserts. Say total 10 picks and the 6 or 8 tension tools.

I say this because a case larger than the picks you have allows for growth, and as a beginner I believe the temptation to buy bits is far too great to resist! It certainly was in my case! That's not a bad thing as it allows for experimentation, which in turns allows for growth in confidence and understanding. You will add and make picks/tools to your set as your taste and needs develop. With a case that's got plenty of room (for now!), you can do that. you'll also get to learn through experience about what is a waste of money! I've got no shortage of shiny bits that just fell by the wayside, along with a wish that I'd never bought it.

Secondly, I wanna say that while rakes have a limited place in any kit, they will teach you almost nothing about what's going on inside a lock. Hooks and diamonds on the other hand will teach you a whole lot. My preference is for hooks as there's so much variety out there to fit different circumstances, but I also have a favorite diamond I won't leave home without. Southord and HPC are great picks for a beginner.

Thirdly, one of the keys to your picking is not the picks, but the tension tools and how you apply tension. In my opinion, it's far more important than the picks themselves. With that in mind, you're really can't have too many tension tools to fit different keyways and circumstances.

And lastly, all picks are completely useless without a huge amount of practice. Practice, practice, practice.

Anyhow, that's my 2 cents. Hopefully, it's helpful.
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Re: Need some help with locks and tools :)

Postby MBI » 16 Apr 2013 9:11

MrAnybody wrote:Humm, not sure what squelchy will think of a some blatant advertising for a first post (or any post for that matter), but since there's some advice in all that, I'd like to give some opinion on those points. Even with advertising, I have no idea of your business since there's (thankfully) no link.

Sadly to say, Renaldo is no longer with us. He passed away quietly this morning when it appears a banhammer struck him in the head.

You're right, there was no link. Yet. But if you look at his sig, it's a placeholder and in a week or two when they think they've passed by any spam filtering measures we have in place, they come back and turn that sig into a hotlink.
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Re: Need some help with locks and tools :)

Postby Squelchtone » 16 Apr 2013 9:13

Hi Mr.Anybody,

That post you replied to is a spammer account, typically the signature line is a place holder for a link to something unrelated such as women's hand bags or tennis shoes, and the spammers copy and paste from other posts or other lock picking articles on the web, then they paste non sensical out of place stuff here and once they have a handful of posts, they edit their profile so that all their posts suddenly have a clickable link where their user name was in the signature line.

hover over the person's email icon, it doesn't even match their user name gender wise.

I'm sure I'll be deleting that post and banning that user soon enough...

Squelchtone

PS. MBI types too fast. Beat me to it!
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Re: Need some help with locks and tools :)

Postby fgarci03 » 16 Apr 2013 18:43

squelchtone wrote:PS. MBI types too fast. Beat me to it!


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