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Rotosmith Pro

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Rotosmith Pro

Postby ajman5252 » 23 Jun 2012 16:58

Heyyy

Does anyone know from where can i get this product???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCCNQ4qPJMw
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Re: Rotosmith Pro

Postby keysman » 23 Jun 2012 17:46

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Re: Rotosmith Pro

Postby Legion303 » 23 Jun 2012 19:45

This doesn't look impossibly hard to make yourself. A bit challenging, maybe, but possibly worth it to save $170. I'd support the Dremel a lot better, though.

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Re: Rotosmith Pro

Postby clearmoon247 » 24 Jun 2012 0:43

I would say if you used 3 adjustable vice mounts, two blocks of equal length, a rod of metal and 2 or more mounts on the rod for one of the blocks, you could create that thing perfectly. I would say $40 max at the hardware store and you could make your own in about a day.
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Re: Rotosmith Pro

Postby baker38 » 24 Nov 2012 16:46

Many times I trier to make a gadget that looks so easy. and created white elephants they looked as they would work but they did not worl compleatly as a professional production built tool. But there were many times that there was something missing hidden in the gadgets design and it was not a professional tool that one could rely on and make keys that continually work with out distroying key blank after key blank... and not tested and tested as professional tools have to be. or the tool manufacturer will get the tools back? When sombody says it so easy why not make one before one spouts out how easy it ?is I would call it fun to try maybe you would come out with a good idea and make a fortune???. Every tool made regardless how simple it looks has secrets in the design that is hidden. I worked for Dremel Tool a division of Robert Bosch and demostrated their tools in Lowes and Home Depot for a period ov over 10 years. The Dremel tool is an good tool for grinding but to duplicate a key with our a attachment like Rotosmith attachment I found to be impossible you have No control over duplicating a key that must be perfect. I went to Rotosmiths tools .com web site they show a vise it looks well made and a method of making keys. Even with that said and using my Dremel tool I could not control the high speed Dremel with my hand and damaged many key blanks trying. The roto smith tool has I read a shaped diamond faced grinding cutter.
I had been a practicing locksmith graduating from Foley belsaw locksmith school for over 10 years.
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Re: Rotosmith Pro

Postby Teddy Picker » 24 Nov 2012 19:00

baker38, you aren't going to sell anything by flaming every time someone criticizes your product. You've got to be aware that you're selling a power tool attachment: your market demographic are do-it-yourself types, and some of them are going to want to make your tool themselves rather than buying it.

My question (for the forum in general): do you think that something like this could be used to cut picks?
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Re: Rotosmith Pro

Postby Legion303 » 25 Nov 2012 1:04

baker38 wrote:The Dremel tool is an good tool for grinding but to duplicate a key with our a attachment like Rotosmith attachment I found to be impossible you have No control over duplicating a key that must be perfect.


Couple of things:

1. You worked with Dremel for 10 years yet don't believe they're capable of precision work? I've made picks by hand with my Dremel for about 4 years now, and can get within a thousandth of an inch to an arbitrary line I draw onto metal strips.

2. Most keys don't need to be perfect. They don't even need to be very close. Anything within half a cut of the correct depth will work with a little jiggling. Anything much closer than that to the correct depth should work without jiggling.

I am also rather disappointed that you chose to astroturf your product instead of disclosing that you're the inventor and defending it on its own merits. It does look like a helpful tool, but it also looks like a simple tool that can be made by anyone. Prove us wrong with facts, not deception.

EDIT: that said, this is a forum of hobbyists. We tend to like figuring things out on our own and making things ourselves. Locksmiths in general will probably not have the time to be messing around, and may like your product as a pre-built unit. What advantages does it have over real key duplicators other than price?

Teddy Picker wrote:My question (for the forum in general): do you think that something like this could be used to cut picks?


I don't see why not. Although you're going to have the same problem with them as you will cutting keys: keeping the metal cool. I would add some thin radiator vanes to the block that holds the key to at least draw heat out of the brass.

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Re: Rotosmith Pro

Postby Squelchtone » 25 Nov 2012 9:31

Teddy Picker wrote:
My question (for the forum in general): do you think that something like this could be used to cut picks?


I wouldnt see that as a good tool to cut picks. A $28 dollar bench grinder from Harbor Freight is probably better for the job of cutting and shaping hand made picks. http://www.harborfreight.com/3-inch-mini-tool-grinder-polisher-94071.html

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