Coke Machine.

[Joebowler300]

Bought a used Coke machine, but do not have the key. It is what I believe is called a "Barrel lock". It's a round opening with a few horizontal "pin holes". I took a picture, but apparently cannot figure out how to post. I am thinking my best bet at this point is to drill it out and install a new barrel lock (available on eBay for like 5 bucks). The machine is for personal use in my basement, so I really am not worried about security or keeping it locked really. Appreciate any thoughts from the experts!

[Squelchtone]

Bought a used Coke machine, but do not have the key. It is what I believe is called a "Barrel lock". It's a round opening with a few horizontal "pin holes". I took a picture, but apparently cannot figure out how to post. I am thinking my best bet at this point is to drill it out and install a new barrel lock (available on eBay for like 5 bucks). The machine is for personal use in my basement, so I really am not worried about security or keeping it locked really. Appreciate any thoughts from the experts!

It's probably a T-Handle cylinder.

to post a photo, go to http://tinypic.com/ and Upload it from your computer, then Copy/Paste the [IMG] tinypic.com/yourcokemachine.jpg and Paste it here.

We usually shy away from helping folks who ask about vending machines because we dont want to give out advice that some bad guy can later read and use to get into a machine. Depending on the kind of lock, we can tell you if a locksmith is in good order or if it is something you can handle doing at home. We can only offer specifics of how to get in in our Advanced members only area, but you're not a member there yet so we'll have to give you general advice.

looking forward to your photos, one of the lock and one of the whole machine would be great, thanks!

Squelchtone

[ARF-GEF]

Oh. I see. I'm sorry.
I actually thought about that, but I thought tubular locks really can't be considered advanced/high-security and that's why I wrote that. But what you say does make sense.

I will keep that in mind for the future.


So I have to modify my advice:
Call a locksmith, he has a special tool with which he can even possibly make new keys for your old lock!
No need to drill or buy or mess around with fussy opening.

[Squelchtone]

but I thought tubular locks really can't be considered advanced/high-security and that's why I wrote that.

The Advanced area is for information that is not basic "picking for fun" info, it doesn't just mean Advanced design locks like Abloy or BiLock, that are hard or impossible to pick, it is Advanced info and techniques for a mature crowd who will use the information responsibly, and the info is often related to locks that are used on vending equipment such as coke machines, laundry machines, gas meters, car doors and ignitions, safes, cable tv junction boxes, etc. Since a lot of that stuff has to do with someone potentially using picking or drilling knowledge to steal money or services, we keep discussion to the Advanced area, even if the lock is not a "high security" lock by lock picker standards. Some argue the information is all out on the internet already, so having it tucked away in the Advanced areas is stupid, but that doesn't mean I have to hand out that information to everyone who visits here with a newbie account.

To sum up, this is considered advanced info we do not discuss outside the Advanced sub forums.

1. any lock that is usually used for securing a vending machine, laundry machine or something with money or a service such as a gas meter, steering wheel locks, etc.
2. any automobile lock, or door linkage, slimjim, picks, bypass tools, try out keys, long reach tools, etc.
3. any safe lock, combination lock, or combination lock bypass such as the usual Sesame or Master 175 thing, even basic school locker locks secure lockers, which these days have laptops and ipads, so careful where the conversation goes about opening those.
4. any kind of kicking in doors, drilling shear lines, loiding (credit card trick), under door tools, etc., this falls under destructive entry.
5. If the person asking the question is up to no good and it is clearly so, no matter what lock they are asking about, use your judgement and don't help them. Usually these people have 1 post and just signed up and are asking how to pick a medeco or BEST, or how to get a copy of their swimming pool key or college dorm keys, and I can't be the only one with bells going off that something doesn't add up. Of course each person we refuse to help gets pissy and stomps off in a huff, oh well, not the kind of members we look for anyway.

I hope that explains it a little better, I realize it is not clearly defined at the moment, and I'm sure there is a lot more I did not cover.
Squelchtone

[LockDocWa]

I bought a Coke machine for my own personal use.
I removed the lock and never replaced it.
The handle where the lock is inserted will hold the door
firmly closed with OR without a lock.'

You don't need a lock on it, if it is for personal use.
Just my 2 cents

[Joebowler300]

OK, just to prove I am not a total scammer...

Here is a pic of the lock


and here is a (sideways) picture of the machine in my basement...


I have absolutely no clue what I am doing...a relative of mine bought a number of these machines, can't find the keys, and offered me one for my basement as a gift. I do not care at all about being able to lock it, but would like the option to be able to in the future if the kids decide to misbehave and open it or whatever...Thanks for any help, and I totally get the idea of trying to prevent crooks from benefitting from this site.

[Teddy Picker]

The Advanced area is for information that is not basic "picking for fun" info, it doesn't just mean Advanced design locks like Abloy or BiLock, that are hard or impossible to pick, it is Advanced info and techniques for a mature crowd who will use the information responsibly, and the info is often related to locks that are used on vending equipment such as coke machines, laundry machines, gas meters, car doors and ignitions, safes, cable tv junction boxes, etc. Since a lot of that stuff has to do with someone potentially using picking or drilling knowledge to steal money or services, we keep discussion to the Advanced area, even if the lock is not a "high security" lock by lock picker standards.

I can totally see this. In a way, it's more important to keep info about less-secure locks in responsible hands. You can tell someone how to pick a BiLock, but that doesn't mean they'll be able to do it. Picking a tubular lock, on the other hand, might be attainable by an irresponsible beginner.

[ARF-GEF]

It’s good to be clear on what squelchtone wrote. I admit it is reasonable that these kinds of locks are restricted. I will be more careful and respect that in the future.

@Joebowler300:
I’m sorry that you were caught up in this. I’m sure you understand why people here say that infos on vending machines should be restricted. Please understand that it’s nothing personal, it’s just a general ethical guideline.
I think it’s not that you might be the crook. As I understand it it’s (also/primarily) to stop future crooks from finding these infos easily. That means you probably can’t get any more infos about that vending machine lock no matter what you write.
So stick with the advice of calling a locksmith. It’s not a big job so it most likely won’t cost you an arm and a leg. Maybe an arm. Just kidding. It’s probably gonna be cheap even including new lock.

So to clarify: I was planning a post about 2 locks from masterlock’s 1500 series since I find both 1500EDBX and 1500 ID rather interesting. Though they are very rare and exotic here, I guess they are used more widely in the US especially as school lockers. Considering that, is it ok to write/ask about the mechanism as long as I don’t discuss any bypass methods?

[Squelchtone]

So to clarify: I was planning a post about 2 locks from masterlock’s 1500 series since I find both 1500EDBX and 1500 ID rather interesting. Though they are very rare and exotic here, I guess they are used more widely in the US especially as school lockers. Considering that, is it ok to write/ask about the mechanism as long as I don’t discuss any bypass methods?

The Coke machine owner is always free to drill, we just can't instruct on how to drill. So either drill if you're a handy guy, or call a locksmith if you don't feel so handy.

As to the Master Lock 1500's, there may be threads already for them so try the Search for Speed Dial or Master ONE, and if not you should go to http://toool.nl/ and look up mh's paper and animation / visualizer on the mechanism in Other Publications at the bottom of the web page.

If you find a pertinent thread, post there, rather than starting a new one.

Squelchtone

[Pickmequick]

OK, just to prove I am not a total scammer...

Here is a pic of the lock


and here is a (sideways) picture of the machine in my basement...


I have absolutely no clue what I am doing...a relative of mine bought a number of these machines, can't find the keys, and offered me one for my basement as a gift. I do not care at all about being able to lock it, but would like the option to be able to in the future if the kids decide to misbehave and open it or whatever...Thanks for any help, and I totally get the idea of trying to prevent crooks from benefitting from this site.

Agree with everyones comments but these crappy locks are all over the tinternet.

Google Ace tubular lock 7 pin and watch some you tube footage.

That lock is quite rare on vending machines now as they are pants. At least in the UK anyhow.

[ARF-GEF]

Thanks for the tip squelchtone!

@pickmequick
Tubular locks are still pretty widespread all around eastern Europe as far as I've seen. Not only on coke machines but also on several other kinds of vending machines.
Maybe UK is just ahead of us, but I have feeling that they are here to stay:).

[Pickmequick]

Thanks for the tip squelchtone!

@pickmequick
Tubular locks are still pretty widespread all around eastern Europe as far as I've seen. Not only on coke machines but also on several other kinds of vending machines.
Maybe UK is just ahead of us, but I have feeling that they are here to stay:).

You guys must be more honest than us lot then

You tube pretty much killed those locks here, they are only really found on cheap locks and cheap safes these days lol

[GWiens2001]

Most of the vending machines I see around here (Arizona) use Abloy detainer locks now. Very few use tubular locks.

Also, if info on certain types of locks is so freely available, then there should be no hard feelings if that info is only available here to those who can wait and add to the forum, right?

Gordon

[averagejoe]

Just because the information is freely available elsewhere does not mean that the website cannot get into trouble/sued/shutdown for providing a thief with information.

That is why the policy is in place. Nobody serious about the hobby wants to loose a valuable resource.

[ARF-GEF]

@pickmequick:
I'm not sure about honesty. They do often have silent alarms which go off in case of tampering. Or so I've heard. I think it's more about the financial side of upgrading all the vending machines at once.

@:averagejoe
I'm not sure about the laws there (I think probably the national security laws in the US allow for a broader maneuvering space for the forces of justice) but I think it would be hard to shut down a website here in Europe just because someone might have found something that they could have used to do anything illegal. (about Canada,where you are from I have to admit I have no idea whatsoever. )
If you look around there are loads of websites which are probably more illegal.(I think a significant part of the Internet is all about copyright infringement...) Even those are rarely shut down.
And think about the loads of the pages on the internet could be shut down with analogous reasoning.
In my opinion arguing any information which could possibly help illegal activities are reasons for blacking a page out would lead to an exceptional limitation on free speech. Any In my opinion may God save us from a world where such reasoning is a barrier limiting individual freedom.
With that logic it would be reasonable to ban all the fighting sports, (especially shooting) since it also may greatly help people in unlawful activities.

As I see it is the job of the police to stop actual criminals. But we should be very careful about giving them rights to limit one's freedom as long as no crime is committed. I know there must be some proactive measures,and I agree wit them to some extent but I think it should be very limited as long as no crimes are committed. That is a very slippery slope and fundamentally against the principles of a modern democracy.
Now I see that LEO-s probably see that otherwise, but maybe they should. Crime prevention is part of their job.

Consider how many times has youtube been shut down or sued because providing information which could help a a thief.
We are and cannot be responsible how anyone uses the knowledge you have. Take for example a nurse . If she goes mad and starts poisoning people is the college where she obtained the informations responsible? I'm not sure but I don't think so.
Same with police/military other armed LEO: if a soldier starts a massacre with his gun is the drill sergeant responsible? Probably not.

Now if someone helps someone else knowing the info will be used for something illegal is a completely different matter. I think that is illegal and surely deeply condemnable.
But as long as we are careful and do our best to filter out anything we suspect is illegal we are probably safe.
That's all is just my personal opinion. And I'm not a lawyer, I might easily be wrong (even if I were a lawyer . I've seen mistaken lawyers before).

(Also as I heard there is a lot more litigious culture in the US so once again I'm not sure how it is.)

Is there any lawyer among us who possible can help us with what advice is legal and what's not? That would be nice.


And please understand I'm not arguing about the rules. I accept and respect them as they are, they are very reasonable. I'm just thinking whether there is also a legal ground apart from the ethical one. I actually very much agree about strictly not helping anyone who we suspect to be up to no good.