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by tyler_stevo » 30 Nov 2012 9:29
yes i see. can anyone give me the link to anything that tells me how to make a gimmicked padlock? 
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by Solomon » 30 Nov 2012 9:41
tyler_stevo wrote:yes i see. can anyone give me the link to anything that tells me how to make a gimmicked padlock? 
The description for that one says it opens with the key or any stiff object. I'm assuming it has 2 shear lines, one for operation with the key and one which opens without having to lift the pins at all. It's possible they ground the drivers down to create a new shear line between the drivers and springs. To gimmick a laminated master lock that way would be a bit of work. You'd have to grind the rivets off to disassemble it, strip the cylinder and modify the pins, then weld it back together. Doing that and keeping it looking like new would be a challenge. If you have no knowledge of engineering or locksmithing I wouldn't fancy my chances lol, and if you're gonna have to go out and buy a bunch of tools to do it, it'd probably be cheaper just to buy one.
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by tyler_stevo » 30 Nov 2012 9:45
yeah im not good with locks and al that. but imagine him going underwater with a pick and a tention wrench, wouldnt it look weird?
and of course i dont want to spend that amount of money on one padlock, lol
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by Solomon » 30 Nov 2012 9:54
tyler_stevo wrote:yeah im not good with locks and al that. but imagine him going underwater with a pick and a tention wrench, wouldnt it look weird?
Why would it? About 99% of people watching it haven't got a clue about locks anyway. Using 2 seperate tools would probably make it look more skilled. tyler_stevo wrote:and of course i dont want to spend that amount of money on one padlock, lol
So learn how to pick actual master locks. Honestly, with practice they're ridiculously easy. You could buy a pack of 3 keyed alike for pretty cheap and just learn to rake them open. It's nonsensical to spend all the time and effort to gimmick one (or spend all that money) when you could just pick them for real. I guess it's different if your life depends on it, but hey, you've got medics right? 
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by tyler_stevo » 30 Nov 2012 9:57
yeah iv got my first ever lock pick set coming in the mail. honestly how long would it take to pick a padlock like the escape artists?
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by Solomon » 30 Nov 2012 10:05
tyler_stevo wrote:yeah iv got my first ever lock pick set coming in the mail. honestly how long would it take to pick a padlock like the escape artists?
That's subjective. Some people take to it very quickly, other people just don't get it and it takes a while. Remember, those guys aren't "picking locks really fast". They're wiggling a pick around for show to make it look like they're struggling, then just turn it when they feel like it. It's an act. We can only do it for real cos we're ninjas.
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by tyler_stevo » 30 Nov 2012 10:08
yeah thats true, iv only ever picked a padlock once. and after that i could never again.
yeah that right. i guess what covers what i asked. its impossible to pick a legit padlock without a tention wrench.? ahaha
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by Solomon » 30 Nov 2012 10:19
Not impossible, but extremely unlikely. The bitting would need to be pretty much flat and you'd have to get the jiggle/turning motion spot on for it to work, although if the tolerances were extremely sloppy it wouldn't be too bad. Locks like that are very few and far between. There's only one pin tumbler lock in my entire collection that I can open without a wrench, so that should tell you something. Trust me, plenty of locks will fall right open with gentle turning pressure and a little bit of pick wiggling but you need a wrench. The only locks you can reliably jiggle open without a wrench are cheapo wafer locks. There are actual picks for them, but even some of them can be tricky. A lot of the time they're easier just to pick normally. Your fascination with opening locks with a single tool will die very quickly once those picks arrive 
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by tyler_stevo » 30 Nov 2012 10:24
oh yeah, so it could be done, but not 3 times in a row that quickly. what about picking locks underwater, would that make it harder?
yeah i cant wait for when they get here. all i need is to go out any buy a good starter padlock.
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by Solomon » 30 Nov 2012 10:55
tyler_stevo wrote:oh yeah, so it could be done, but not 3 times in a row that quickly. what about picking locks underwater, would that make it harder?
yeah i cant wait for when they get here. all i need is to go out any buy a good starter padlock.
The feedback would be a bit different, but it wouldn't make it much more difficult. I've picked locks in the freezing cold while wearing thick gloves before; I think picking a lock submerged in water would be easier than that. 
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by Teddy Picker » 30 Nov 2012 12:11
Solomon wrote:The feedback would be a bit different, but it wouldn't make it much more difficult. I've picked locks in the freezing cold while wearing thick gloves before; I think picking a lock submerged in water would be easier than that. 
I would think that shivering would make the "shake like you've had too much caffeine" raking method a little easier, no? 
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by Teddy Picker » 30 Nov 2012 12:38
As an aside, there are some escape artists who are legitimate lock pickers. In a challenge from the London Daily Mirror, Harry Houdini famously escaped from a pair of handcuffs designed by Birmingham locksmith Nathaniel Hart. The escape took him an hour and ten minutes, and when he emerged free, he cried, saying it was the most difficult escape of his career.
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by GWiens2001 » 30 Nov 2012 13:36
I think the hardest part of picking padlocks underwater would be holding your breath! Gordon
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by tyler_stevo » 30 Nov 2012 17:29
ahaha i would have no problem with the holding of the breath part.  i have been told that picking locks underwater is alot harder..
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by GWiens2001 » 30 Nov 2012 18:24
But seriously, I bet Solomon is right about it changing the feel of picking. Perhaps you should try it in a sink full of water first, to get used to the feel, then in a bath tub once you have mastered the first part.
Let us know how it goes, but not by us reading an article about someone drowning while picking locks!
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