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Opening Apartment mail box?

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Opening Apartment mail box?

Postby Anavaree » 16 Dec 2012 10:35

I have a customer asking me to open her apartment mail box. Not the federal side, just her personal box. She has spoken to the super and found that she had the only operable key.
Who OWNS the mailbox lock on the front of the towers of mailboxes? The gov, or the apartment?
She says that she can show me ample proof of her ownership of the box, I am just curious about the legalities of opening that box. If it belongs to the apt then there isn't a problem. If it actually belongs to the gov then there might be. I will also be talking to the apt owners on Monday about replacing that lock and possibly adding keys to their other boxes. Might be a nice new standing job for me.

I fully understand that you guys are not lawyers and any info would not be held as legal advice, yada yada yada. I am just hoping one of you guys out there have had a similar issue.
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Re: Opening Apartment mail box?

Postby GWiens2001 » 16 Dec 2012 11:05

I am definitely not a lawyer. But the mail box on the street that the customer paid to install at their own house still falls under federal juristiction. I know somebody who was going into mailboxes in my childhood neighborhood was sent to federal prison for going into them. And those did not have any locks at all, and were never paid for by the feds. Just a word of caution. Personally, unless you are a licensed and bonded locksmith familiar with the laws, I would decline.

Just my 2 cents.

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Re: Opening Apartment mail box?

Postby keysman » 16 Dec 2012 14:18

GWiens2001 wrote:I am definitely not a lawyer. But the mail box on the street that the customer paid to install at their own house still falls under federal jurisdiction.

No , normally they belong to the property owner. The property owner is responsible for all maintenance and repairs.
It is a whole different set of regulations if you are on Post Office property. (See note at bottom of this post.)
The lock that the mail carrier opens on a gang of mail boxes is PO property and duplication or replacement of THAT key will get you in hot water. The lock on an individual box is not.
GWiens2001 wrote:I know somebody who was going into mailboxes in my childhood neighborhood was sent to federal prison for going into them. And those did not have any locks at all, and were never paid for by the feds.

I don't know the specifics , but it was probably for tampering with the mail,not opening the box.
GWiens2001 wrote: Just a word of caution. Personally, unless you are a licensed and bonded locksmith familiar with the laws, I would decline.

I would be very very careful before gaining entry, to be sure you are doing it for the current resident/renter or if owner occupied, by owner.
Pointing and saying "THAT BOX MINE" is not enough, especially if the boxes are not marked with actual addresses, as they tend NOT to be. Closing papers describe all parking, mailbox and other assignments.
Be sure to have a witness that you did nothing more than replace the lock. Specific: DO NOT touch the mail in the box.
"United States Code 18 USC Sec. 1704 deals with United States Post Office keys, and 18 USC Sec. 1386 deals with United States Department of Defense keys.
Whoever steals, purloins, embezzles, or obtains by false pretense any key suited to any lock adopted by the Post Office Department or the Postal Service and in use on any of the mails or bags thereof, or any key to any lock box, lock drawer, or other authorized receptacle for the deposit or delivery of mail matter; or Whoever knowingly and unlawfully makes, forges, or counterfeits any such key, or possesses any such mail lock or key with the intent unlawfully or improperly to use, sell, or otherwise dispose of the same, or to cause the same to be unlawfully or improperly used, sold, or otherwise disposed of; or Whoever, being engaged as a contractor or otherwise in the manufacture of any such mail lock or key, delivers any finished or unfinished lock or the interior part thereof, or key, used or designed for use by the department, to any person not duly authorized under the hand of the Postmaster General and the seal of the Post Office Department or the Postal Service, to receive the same, unless the person receiving it is the contractor for furnishing the same or engaged in the manufacture thereof in the manner authorized by the contract, or the agent of such manufacturer - Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both."
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Re: Opening Apartment mail box?

Postby Anavaree » 16 Dec 2012 14:43

Keysman, thanks for posting that statute. Just the kind of thing I needed to see. I just opened the box. Kind of a difficult pick. The whole rack of boxes look to be in a little bit of disrepair. The property manager informed the tenant that she had the only remaining key and that she would have to locate a locksmith to make a new one for her. Enter, me.
I confirmed the owner of the box via license, then mail once the box was open. Current mail was in the box.
I am going back on Monday to speak with the property manager personally about taking over the upkeep of their lock box system. Its close to the house and I think the lock boxes could really use some TLC. Might be a good commercial account for me.
Thanks for everyone's input.
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Re: Opening Apartment mail box?

Postby GWiens2001 » 16 Dec 2012 16:08

Keysman,
I thank you for the statutes. The guy may have been charged with tampering with or stealing mail. I was 10 at the time, and not exactly 'in the loop' as to the specific charges. I just know that he was going into mailboxes and went to federal prison. I also beleive that other delivery services are not permitted to leave a package in your mail box, except for FedEx, which has a contractual agreement.

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Re: Opening Apartment mail box?

Postby Legion303 » 16 Dec 2012 16:43

Those cluster boxes are a bit of a gray area. As Keysman said, you're probably OK replacing individual locks, but if you're at all uncertain, speak to the postmaster of the nearest large PO about it first.

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Re: Opening Apartment mail box?

Postby lockjock50 » 16 Dec 2012 17:11

the apartment complex does not own the mailboxes. they are responsible for mantainance and key distribution but have no authority to have it opened. its no different than boxes at the post office.
i had a job for a repair about a year ago for a large apartment complex. the apartments called me and i called the local post office. they told me that they required a representative from the post office to be present at my service.
another local locksmith told me that it was different if the box was vacant.
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Re: Opening Apartment mail box?

Postby Squelchtone » 16 Dec 2012 22:06

The only lock you are not supposed to touch is the USPS Arrow lock which opens the back panel so the individual mailboxes can be filled by a USPS carrier. If an apartment is getting a gang of mailboxes, they may request an Arrow lock be fitted by the local post office so the local carrier can easily fill the mailboxes without them having something like a Knox box which then gives them the key to the default lock on the back panel to the gang of mailboxes.

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Re: Opening Apartment mail box?

Postby Anavaree » 17 Dec 2012 5:26

Squelch,
They did, indeed, have an arrow lock in the boxes. I already knew NOT to touch that lock.
In response to some of the other posts, I am going to talk to my local post office and get the proper information.
Then I can post and let people know about the law here in KY.
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Re: Opening Apartment mail box?

Postby Midnight Cobra » 25 Dec 2012 10:29

I have talked to my postman because I was talking to another locksmith who said that he wasn't allowed to work on mailboxes anymore. The post office was handling them in his area. So my postman said that if the gang of boxes says, "property of the USPS", then don't touch it. Otherwise it is privately owned and you are allowed to work on it.
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