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Half cuts

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Half cuts

Postby minifhncc » 12 Dec 2012 4:25

Hi all,

I've recently come across some locks that have has utilised half cuts in key depths.

Is this common? And what would be a possible reason that one would use and pin a lock to have half cut key depths?

Thanks
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Re: Half cuts

Postby catsoup » 12 Dec 2012 5:05

Half cut pins are used mostly to increase the number of pinning options in master key systems.
At least that's where I've run into them most. I think people like to use them because they are a pain in the repinning process...
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Re: Half cuts

Postby GWiens2001 » 12 Dec 2012 5:26

I have seen three locks with half cuts. One Schlage SFIC, and two Best SFICs. And as catsoup stated, both of the Best cores were masterkeyed,

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Re: Half cuts

Postby maintenanceguy » 12 Dec 2012 6:07

it may be that the manufacturer has changed their pin specs and you have a lock from an older system.

I came across this once and spent a lot of time fighting with an old Yale master-key system. Yale locks use pins with a .025 increment between pins and all of the locks I had were all sorts of odd pin lengths. I was confused and frustrated until I called Yale to get the original key list (which they had on microfiche) and found out they changed their pin specs from .019 to .025 in the mid 60's and this system was older than that.
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Re: Half cuts

Postby Altashot » 12 Dec 2012 20:19

A certain locksmith in my city only uses half cut on his Medeco systems.
He claims that only he knows how to cut the keys properly...He still uses the old 00 keyway. He never upgraded his systems to biaxial or M3. He thinks that he retains the exclusivity and warns his customers against using any other locksmiths because they wouldn't be able to cut the keys...What a looney he is. Little does he know, my machine is capable of cutting half step and I also have the pin kit. Sadly his customer stick with him because he thinks it's 1950 and his prices reflect that too. Other that that I rarely see half steps except for one customer of mine with an old Sargent masterkey system.

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Re: Half cuts

Postby minifhncc » 14 Dec 2012 0:09

Altashot wrote:He claims that only he knows how to cut the keys properly...He still uses the old 00 keyway.


You should offer to copy them close to the price of the blanks :P
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Re: Half cuts

Postby cledry » 30 Dec 2012 23:54

Altashot wrote:A certain locksmith in my city only uses half cut on his Medeco systems.
He claims that only he knows how to cut the keys properly...He still uses the old 00 keyway. He never upgraded his systems to biaxial or M3. He thinks that he retains the exclusivity and warns his customers against using any other locksmiths because they wouldn't be able to cut the keys...What a looney he is. Little does he know, my machine is capable of cutting half step and I also have the pin kit. Sadly his customer stick with him because he thinks it's 1950 and his prices reflect that too. Other that that I rarely see half steps except for one customer of mine with an old Sargent masterkey system.

M.


Interesting, so Medeco offers pins in half-depths?
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Re: Half cuts

Postby Altashot » 31 Dec 2012 0:38

Yes. Half step pin kit.

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