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Newbie question about old cyllinder lock

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Newbie question about old cyllinder lock

Postby Dextem » 11 Jan 2013 7:53

Hello all. I am new to lockpicking,but i practiced with several luggage worldlock locks.
2 days i am trying to pick 5-pin standart cyllinder lock. I made a photo of my picks and problem lock.
http://img221.imageshack.us/i/imagevfbj.jpg/

It is 10 years old lock. What can i do wrong?
I tried different tension,and different methods. But it dont picks. I can make a video with my problem.
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Re: Newbie question about old cyllinder lock

Postby MrAnybody » 11 Jan 2013 8:34

Welcome to the forum.

It could be just a case of one essential ingredient being missing. That ingredient is practice, practice and practice. I don't mean to say that to be insulting or anything, but rather it's a genuine comment that some folk don't always take into account.

That being said, it's always good to check-in about technique, but it's hard to say what exactly the issue is with just the info you've given. Your tools are good enough to do the job.

Which pick from your selection are you using for the lock? Which of the 2 tension wrenches in your pic. Describe your process. A video would be good.

I'm sure we can help out in some way.
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Re: Newbie question about old cyllinder lock

Postby lockjock50 » 11 Jan 2013 9:04

With it being an old lock, you may need to lubricate the pins and springs. Oil based lubes like wd-40 really aren't good for locks so dont get in that habit. A lot of people use powder or spray graphite but i like lock saver, which is a synthetic lubricant.

Practice using different methods until you find what works for you.
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Re: Newbie question about old cyllinder lock

Postby zeepia » 11 Jan 2013 10:05

I can´t see what brand your lock is, it might contain some security pins. And then it´s harder to pick. You can take it apart, there are instructions here somewhere. Then start with only two pin stacks and move your way up until it´s fully pinned and you can pick it in an instant.
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Re: Newbie question about old cyllinder lock

Postby Dextem » 11 Jan 2013 11:02

Tanks to everyone,who joined my thread ;)

Name of that lock is FIAM. I dont think it really have security pins,but i am not sure.

Tomorow ill try to make a video,how i can't pick it))

And can smb advice a good video-hoster to upload my future video? I guess youtube is not for that,or i am wrong?
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Re: Newbie question about old cyllinder lock

Postby MrAnybody » 11 Jan 2013 11:29

Dextem wrote:
And can smb advice a good video-hoster to upload my future video? I guess youtube is not for that,or i am wrong?


YouTube is fine for that. You've got a button above the reply window to embed it if you want. Or you can just post the link into your reply.
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Re: Newbie question about old cyllinder lock

Postby Pickmequick » 11 Jan 2013 14:10

As already said, that lock probably contains at least 1 security pin.

If you can't get it open, strip it down and have a look.

To check for security pins without stripping, you will need to false set it then try getting counter rotation with the pick until you find the pin(s)

P.S.

Suggest you mark your images as private as people can see ALL your images!
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Re: Newbie question about old cyllinder lock

Postby EmCee » 12 Jan 2013 6:11

What lock? :P
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Re: Newbie question about old cyllinder lock

Postby Dextem » 12 Jan 2013 12:11

Lockname FIAM.

https://vimeo.com/57273650 HEre is the video of lock and my "picking"
You will see there, that tension tool is possible to insert ONLY in front patr of lock(which one was mostly used.)
If you point me some of my mistakes,that would be very nice.
And i already tried different pressure on tension tool.

Thx.
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Re: Newbie question about old cyllinder lock

Postby MrAnybody » 12 Jan 2013 14:01

Dextem wrote:Lockname FIAM.

https://vimeo.com/57273650 HEre is the video of lock and my "picking"
You will see there, that tension tool is possible to insert ONLY in front patr of lock(which one was mostly used.)
If you point me some of my mistakes,that would be very nice.
And i already tried different pressure on tension tool.

Thx.


Picking is all about feeling the pins and understanding what's happening with them. It's all done with your sense of touch and hearing. As a result, hold your pick so your finger is resting on the bare metal. This will give you some feedback as you're moving the pick within the lock. You also have important feedback from the tension wrench to tell you about rotational movement of the plug.

From what I can see from the video, it looks like you are hoping for a quicker result through raking the lock. That is, quickly withdrawing the pick from the lock in order to set some (or all) of the key pins at the shear line. Try pulsing the pressure you put on the tension wrench while you do this.

However, I think you really need to work on your technique of single pin picking. This involves putting some rotational pressure on the plug (as you are doing), and through that using the tip of the pick to find which of the pin stacks is not moving as freely as the others. When you find that, slightly depress that stack until you feel some change. This will hopefully mean that this key pin has reached the shear line. Then repeat that process for each of the pin stacks. This needs to be individual attention to each of the stacks. As you successfully move the pins to shear, you will feel more movement in the rotation.

First, move the tip of your pick to the back of the lock (without a tension wrench), hold it against the pins and slowly withdraw it - how many pins do you hear going click? Of course, you can also see how many pins in the lock by looking at the key.

Another tip: buy yourself a cheap desk vice with a vacuum base (usually used for modelling). This gives you a stable platform to set the lock in and give you both hands to move freely. This also relieves pressure on your hands and gives them the ability to work more without getting tired.

As it is, we'd have to get into what is counter-rotation in order to find if any of the pins are security pins, but for now, I'd suggest you work on the above.

I'm sure there will be others who will have some really useful advice for you.

Practice, practice, practice. Don't give up, dude :wink:
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Re: Newbie question about old cyllinder lock

Postby luckey » 12 Jan 2013 15:16

I am also very new and my advice is to do what this forum advises all newcomers to do: read MIT guide to lock picking and the LSI guide, then try digital blues 'Beginner's lockpicking exercise, i.e. take the lock apart and see what is in there and replace each pin stack one at a time and pick it. Then also read JK the CJer's 'Quick single-pin Picking Lesson'. These exercises and the guides are excellent and really advanced me in my lock picking. Nobody can really tell you where you are going wrong in lock picking from a video because picking a lock is based on what you 'feel' inside the lock. Do the above, like the forum advises and I guarantee you that you will be picking that lock in less than 30 seconds each and every time and then you will be picking it while it is full of security pins in the same amount of time. Practise is the best thing but you must also know what you are feeling for inside the lock and that requires reading. The MIT guide is very thorough and at first I simply read it and thought I knew it all, then I went back to it and I had,in reality, only absorbed about 1% of the info in it. You need to study it. Good luck mate and I really do hope that you follow this advise and do your reading and the exercises. Let me know how you get on.
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