Lock ID and advice on manipulation

[twixt3&20characters]

Hi

at work I have an abandoned locked but empty 'safe' that has a combination dial and an odd 4 sided key, reminiscent of a phillips/cross point screw driver. It isn't great quality, I imagine its Chinese and maybe about 10 or 20 years old. It has no apparent maker's marks, but does have a label with as serial number EX2002021 101 on the bottom right corner of the door (but no relation to this website!) Here's a picture:



I have the key (pictured) with a serial number 03033, which turns about 30' before stopping. Holding a pressure on the key, and turning the dial gets resistance on the dial about the 15, 40 and 80 numbers. I am presuming this might be indicative of a combination, but without knowing how many turns and what direction the sequence is in I am at a loss.

I am used to working with high quality 3 wheel locks, ie the MkIV Manifoil. I feel this should be easy to get around and I'd like the challenge of cracking it... can anyone get me started?

Thanks

[Squelchtone]

Hi

at work I have an abandoned locked but empty 'safe' that has a combination dial and an odd 4 sided key, reminiscent of a phillips/cross point screw driver. It isn't great quality, I imagine its Chinese and maybe about 10 or 20 years old. It has no apparent maker's marks, but does have a label with as serial number EX2002021 101 on the bottom right corner of the door (but no relation to this website!) Here's a picture:



I have the key (pictured) with a serial number 03033, which turns about 30' before stopping. Holding a pressure on the key, and turning the dial gets resistance on the dial about the 15, 40 and 80 numbers. I am presuming this might be indicative of a combination, but without knowing how many turns and what direction the sequence is in I am at a loss.

I am used to working with high quality 3 wheel locks, ie the MkIV Manifoil. I feel this should be easy to get around and I'd like the challenge of cracking it... can anyone get me started?

Thanks

Hello and thanks for your question.

In recent months many new members have come looking for an answer as to how to get into a safe they recently acquired.

These fall into 2 categories: I know the combo but not sure how to dial it and I don't know the combo teach me how to crack it.

We try to be as helpful as possible if someone just needs basic operating instructions, but we simply do not talk about any kind of manipulation, cracking, drilling, or destructive entry in the open forums, it is only something discussed in the Advanced area that one has to be a member of. The reason we don't talk about it is because anyone with google can find these posts and if we help you, we may accidentally be teaching someone who shouldn't know how to do it (bad guy, bored teenager trying to get into meds or guns, etc,etc)

If any members here know the dialing order, by all means, go ahead and post it to help our visitor, or if you know who made that safe, etc, but no talk of manipulation, direct entry fence, contact points, etc, etc.

Thanks and good luck with your project, btw, your key is a Papaiz style cruciform key.

Squelchtone

[twixt3&20characters]

Thanks! I quite take the point- perhaps if any one is feeling charitable they could PM me with some advice? and thanks also for the info on the key type, that in itself is interesting.

[LockDocWa]

When you turn the key does it effect the way the dial turns??

[Jeremym0411]

I have ran into these before. The last wheel is bigger than the rest so you will never get a good indication to manipulate it.

[femurat]

Hey Jeremym0411,

without going into details about manipulation, which is not allowed in the open forum, if one wheel is bigger than the others it would make manipulation easier.

Cheers

[Squelchtone]

Hey Jeremym0411,

without going into details about manipulation, which is not allowed in the open forum, if one wheel is bigger than the others it would make manipulation easier.

Cheers

I think he means that it's soooo big that the fence never even rests on the others or tries the others unless you have the correct combo, but even then you could probably just find the gate on the biggest wheel and park it with the fence in it and then do the other wheels..

I think I've said too much. =) Let's leave this one for the Advanced area.

*LOCKED!*
Squelchtone