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banning the bump key?

Bump keys and lock bumping finally have their own area. Discuss making bump keys, proper bumping techniques, and countermeasures here.

Re: banning the bump key?

Postby Gozzo » 22 Aug 2010 3:53

Where i live the local scumbags just use Stiltons, because as has been previously pointed out, over and over here, is most of them are to stupid and lazy to learn the techniques, necessary to manipulate a mechanism. or of course the the trusty brick. It's because of the dumb Hollywood portrayal. And the public's perception that a pick is a magical device that opens locks. Rather than just a piece of metal, in skilled hands Ive never tried to pop a lock with a paperclip but i have no doubts at all, that i could do it. so yea it's pointless banning anything. but try explain that to a politician.
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Re: banning the bump key?

Postby dallalama » 22 Aug 2010 6:33

I could not agree with you more gozzo, but using stillson wrenches is a new one to me ,I am assume it only works on key in knob type lock
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Re: banning the bump key?

Postby raimundo » 22 Aug 2010 7:25

hey dally, he didnt say stillson he said stillton, apparently they cheese it. :roll:
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Re: banning the bump key?

Postby Gozzo » 23 Aug 2010 1:13

raimundo wrote:hey dally, he didnt say stillson he said stillton, apparently they cheese it. :roll:

Lol , yea bloody spell check, Yea KIK's are very common round here didn't want to go to much detail for obvious reasons. And Your right Raimundo it is chessy lol
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Re: banning the bump key?

Postby dallalama » 23 Aug 2010 4:32

Mmm cheese.
But getting back on track ,ive got a few mates,that keep a eye out for locks for me,and the other day a mate gave me a lockwood 234/45 that some mongal had cut off his works fuel bowser, after i picked it ,clean it up ,i had a go at impression it , i had a go at impression it ,i had a go at impression it ,then i pulled out the barrel ,it was full of master pins .finally made a key for it ,just using the barrel the bottom pins,and my file ,then put the master pins in and made a second key ,and the bit that i found strange was the biting was 999989, checked my mate key and the biting was the same,any way my point being relating to the law in QLD that Gozzo pointed out to us
Easy they have called it a 99999 key, or a bump key, or any key or reasonable facsimile thereof, or any key cut to the lowest extremities of it's range. Qld politicians are great like that.
my mate works for a national company and some times works in Qld,he tells me his key will unlock certain things at other sites, the key was issued to him by his employer and its basicly a facsimile thereof a bump key, he,s informing his bosses at the next annual meeting that they could have illegal keys
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Re: banning the bump key?

Postby globallockytoo » 23 Aug 2010 12:09

The keys are not illegal. I suggest what you have there are keys made by someone who is either not a locksmith or by the factory. It was common for untrained, unknowing factory assembly workers to make master keys that were either all deep cuts or all shallow cuts.

That bump keys are similar, is a cruel twist of fate. Probably why having a bump key cannot necessarily be proven to be illegal.
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Re: banning the bump key?

Postby nathane » 23 Aug 2010 14:50

globallockytoo wrote:That bump keys are similar, is a cruel twist of fate. Probably why having a bump key cannot necessarily be proven to be illegal.


This is why I doubt you'll see bump keys become specifically banned and if so, it'll be for publicity purposes as opposed to anything real. Much of the current laws cover bump keys implicitly as a tool for breaking and entering. Many of these same laws specify that the circumstances of possessing such a tool are just as important as the possession itself, which is the key factor this previous posted identified.

In the end, I believe from a legal stand point they're just like lock picks. If used in the wrong place/wrong time under the wrong circumstances, they're illegal. Otherwise, you should be fine. Banning something like this outright would be ridiculous and not at all effective from a law enforcement perspective.
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Re: banning the bump key?

Postby Greedy » 24 Aug 2010 19:58

dallalama wrote:I could not agree with you more gozzo, but using stillson wrenches is a new one to me ,I am assume it only works on key in knob type lock



yup, Ive seen it a couple times here
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Re: banning the bump key?

Postby Gozzo » 24 Aug 2010 22:22

It's like possession of picks if you have them and you dont have " lawful excuse " . Your screwed. simple as that.
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Re: banning the bump key?

Postby globallockytoo » 25 Aug 2010 4:04

Gozzo wrote:It's like possession of picks if you have them and you dont have " lawful excuse " . Your screwed. simple as that.


I disagree. Having a key on your ring, cut to the maximum depths, may look like a bump key but not be.

How can it be proved otherwise?
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Re: banning the bump key?

Postby dallalama » 25 Aug 2010 5:04

your right Globallocky,and if you are caught with one,on your key ring ,and have a lock that it opens,even if you don,t it should not be a drama, any where in the world,it would only be come a drama if you have mutable keys for different key-ways all on the same keyring................come to think about it. If your not a smithy you should not have mutable keys on your person as every day carry any ways
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Re: banning the bump key?

Postby anarchy_punk » 25 Jan 2013 1:02

I think the ban on bumping is stupid cause its another fine tool and technique a locksmith can have with him just in case picking takes too long (depends on the lock and person pi 8) cking it) but hey that's my input
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Re: banning the bump key?

Postby Gozzo » 26 Jan 2013 8:07

whoops, taken me three years to respond, my apoligies Global.
" I disagree. Having a key on your ring, cut to the maximum depths, may look like a bump key but not be.

How can it be proved otherwise? "
In the wonderful state of Qld, in the criminal code it clearly states that possesion of a key cut to its maximum depth's is an offence under the act. It does not give anything that would make it excusable. Even possesion of a lock that the key fits. Im not suggesting i agree with that mentality. But thats what the law states. As anyone in Qld knows, it has some of the most ridiculous laws i the country,and this one cant even be clocked up to being out dated. I guess Qld just has the dumbest politicians.
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Re: banning the bump key?

Postby globallockytoo » 27 Jan 2013 21:28

Gozzo wrote:whoops, taken me three years to respond, my apoligies Global.
" I disagree. Having a key on your ring, cut to the maximum depths, may look like a bump key but not be.

How can it be proved otherwise? "
In the wonderful state of Qld, in the criminal code it clearly states that possesion of a key cut to its maximum depth's is an offence under the act. It does not give anything that would make it excusable. Even possesion of a lock that the key fits. Im not suggesting i agree with that mentality. But thats what the law states. As anyone in Qld knows, it has some of the most ridiculous laws i the country,and this one cant even be clocked up to being out dated. I guess Qld just has the dumbest politicians.
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A significant number of master key systems were designed and built by "supposed" locksmiths using the master key with the deepest possible cuts. So your Queensland theory is bogus, sorry. I worked in N Qld in the early '90's and saw a number of similarly keyed systems.

In fact, Lockwood themselves master keyed in similar methods in the early '60's (before both you and me were an inch in our daddy's pants - lol)
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Re: banning the bump key?

Postby Gozzo » 28 Jan 2013 5:58

I will re read the act and find it for you, then you can read it yourself, like I said I dont think it's right either way i just know what i read
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