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A strange lock.

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A strange lock.

Postby Antrax » 18 Mar 2013 5:22

Hello, I'm new to this hobby, just picked my first padlock 2 weeks ago. After a while I got used to it, so I decided too go for other, a bit more complicated locks. So I was digging around in my attic, and found a rather strange padlock. I'm not really good at identifying locks, so I wonder if any of you know anwsers to these questions: What kind of lock is this? And more importantly, is it possible to pick it with a standart lock pick set?
Here's how the keyhole looks like: Image

And this is here's the key to it (note the cuts): Image
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Re: A strange lock.

Postby ARF-GEF » 18 Mar 2013 6:27

I'm pretty sure it's abloy lock and I think it's the classic.

It's very-very hard to pick and you need special tools for it. There are ways to open it, but (sorry to tell you) they don't belong to the open forums I'm afraid. :(
Defo not for a beginner.
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Re: A strange lock.

Postby Solomon » 18 Mar 2013 8:00

ARF-GEF got it, it's an abloy classic. Notoriously difficult to pick. Even Falle hasn't come up with a reliable way to pick these, and that's saying something. He does have decoder tools for specific models, but not actual picks. They're best tackled with impressioning or decoding.

There is a 2 in 1 pick for the abloy classic available from a company called H&H, but the general consensus is that it doesn't work. It looks like Falle's tibbe pick/decoder but the tip is designed for the half moon profile. From what I've heard, the problem is that the shape of the keyway means the profiles overlap from one disc to the next in such a way that severely limits space, to such a degree that the tool is difficult to maneuver past each one without upsetting the rotation. They can be auto-dialled with a known bitting code, but I'd imagine moving back and forth through the pack would be extremely tedious due to the overlapping and false gates. Tolerances are very tight in these locks too.

In saying that, a couple of guys on here have opened them with homebrew tools... so it isn't impossible, but it is very difficult and requires a lot of knowledge and skill.
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Re: A strange lock.

Postby Antrax » 18 Mar 2013 8:03

Thanks, and don't worry, I just needed to know if it's pickable or not. I guess I'll just stick with a good old pin and tumbler for a while. :)
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Re: A strange lock.

Postby ARF-GEF » 18 Mar 2013 13:01

I've heard the best way is impressioning, but honestly I have never ever tried getting these open without a key. Their "pick-skill-level" is so far above my head that I can't even see it with binoculars.

I'd say stikc with pin tumblers maybe an excursion to wafer locks. :)
Good luck with the pickings:)
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