What kind of locks are these?

[Muskedunder]

So, not my locks. They are hanging around in the basement, but they looked so cool and i have never seen that kind of locks before, so can anyone tell me what kind of locks they are?

[LockDocWa]

They are in the PADLOCK family.
But you knew that right?

[Sinifar]

Not totally sure, but they look like either a 5 or 7 lever lock, not used in the USA, but common in Europe. The closest thing we had here like that was a "Steam Chest" padlock, which had a key with 6 levers in it, and you did not turn the key, but merely pushed the key in and it popped open. that lock used an Ilco T131 key, and the lever cuts were on the "end" of the key.

Your padlock uses a key much like a railroad padlock. It is a barrel key, and probably has one or more side wards, along with the levers.

Hope it helps.

Sinifar

[Muskedunder]

LockDocWa:
haha, yes padlocks!

Sinifar:
Thanks! After google'ing "barrel key" and railroad padlock" i understand, but that only goes for the first 2, what about the others?

[Sinifar]

In some sneaky way I feel that they are about the same -- ie -- a multi lever lock. I highly doubt that a storage locker would have a simple "warded padlock" on it. Lever locks come in many types, and styles.

The flat key goes in and works the levers much like a safe deposit key does.

MY guess again, if presented with this lock would be to examine the thing with a "otoscope" or side light and see what is inside the thing. Then smoke the key and get some kind of impression marks as to where the levers were - then - start to progress the thing. There are books covering most of this out there, so find the drop in point and drill a small hole, use this as a "window" then make the key. Close the hole like we did below.

The method I used on the "steam chest" padlock was to call a friend who has an extensive library and got a diagram of the lock insides, then drilled a hole where the drop in was, and then used the safe deposit method of "opening the lock" - then - estimated the depths, looking into the "key hole" and from what the book said the depths were, made the key. Worked first time. Just experience -- nothing in the world replaces experience. Just a F/Y/I - to close the hole, we drilled a smaller hole than a lock pin (.115) then tossed the pin into the freezer. Heated up the padlock, then drove the "froze pin" home - it warmed up and was anchored to the body. A slight dressing with a fine file, and you would never know were in there.

Sinifar

[Muskedunder]

Thanks for an excellent answer! i cant make a key for these locks as they are not mine. But any idea where i can buy a lock of that kind, so i can practice a bit?

[ARF-GEF]

Try the internet first, then something home depot or whatever major DIY stores there are there where you come from. A locksmith surely has them too.

[bembel]

Inside an Abus 234: http://wiki.koksa.org/Abus_234/50mm

[ARF-GEF]

@Bembel is there a way to get in contact with you? I can't seem to find the PM button. Does that means that you don't want to get PM, so I can't get in contact with you directly or is it just a mistaken setting?

[bembel]

PM is deactivated, sorry.
But whatever it is, we can discuss it here as well.

[ARF-GEF]

It's just for this:
http://www.lockpicking101.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=56754

[bembel]

I don't live in Munich and therefore I can't help here. Sorry.

[ARF-GEF]

Ok

[rphillips52]

The top 2 are cheap lever locks, the bottom 2 are cheap warded locks. You have already been given a link to the inside of the lever locks; the warded ones usually have only 1 tumbler.
German, 20C up to 1960's or later. The lever ones probably still made, though less common now.

[dicey]

1. Abus 234 - Abus probably started producing those in the 50s, they are still being produced today.
2. Not sure - Look for a logo or something, might be a Volm.
3. Burg No. 80 - Even though the Burg Logo is missing I am very sure this is the Burg No. 80 and probably made in the 50s. There were 4 sizes of the Burg No. 80 available: 25, 36, 45 and 55mm. If there is no Burg Logo I am sure it was made by some fella lock company in Velbert.
4. Not sure - looks like some cheap lock, maybe an older Tokoz?

I have an old Burg brochure from the 50s where I can look up old Burg padlocks. I do sadly not have an Abus brochure yet. But I also have old brochures on Bode Panzer (30s) and Garny (50s).