Mechanical digital locks

[Buchanan]

Hi, I'm new to lockpicking and just beginning to get the hang of simple keyed locks. But - can anyone tell me anything about picking the "digital mechanical locks"? These are non-electronic and non-battery-powered, but have a pushbutton keypad. There seem to be many brands, for example "Lockey" (?), and they typically have keys 0-9 and X,Y,Z,C in two vertical columns above the handle. Sorry if this topic has already been covered here - I couldn't find it though. Cheers.

[Wesson357]

Are these like the ones you see in airports and government buildings?

[Varjeal]

You won't find much info on these in the open forums, but the two most popular pushbutton locks that I've seen are either made by DDL (Digital Door Locks) or Kaba Peeks/Ilco Unican/Simplex 7000 series locks. Manipulation information will not be posted in open forums.

[logosys]

You won't find much info on these in the open forums, but the two most popular pushbutton locks that I've seen are either made by DDL (Digital Door Locks) or Kaba Peeks/Ilco Unican/Simplex 7000 series locks. Manipulation information will not be posted in open forums.

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[Buggs41]

Ditto

[Buchanan]

Hi Wesson, Varjeal and all. I've only noticed these locks recently on rooms in the building where I work - not especially high security (at least not intentionally so - maybe the locks are overkill), and I have the codes (legitimately) for most of them. I was really just curious, since I'd assumed that they would be fairly basic locks and that there'd be some simple solution. (Well, OK, trying 0000X through 9999Z is simple - I guess I meant elegant.) Anyway, no worries if these are 'off limits' on security grounds. Cheers.

[Varjeal]

There are methods such as those...btw, logosys...from my records I have no listing of your application....maybe try reapplying again.

[Buchanan]

Further to my previous question... I'm pretty sure that the locks I'm talking about are not very secure. (For a picture of a closely similar lock, try http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/lrg ... 2&ts=31580 ; the ones I've seen have a slightly different keyway to bypass the combination - more like a standard front-door-style key??).

I played around with a couple today, and it seems possible to get some or all of the digits of the combination just by twisting the handle while trying two pushbuttons at a time against eachother (I can explain more if anyone's interested). I guess it is basically no different to picking a conventional key-operated lock, except that each pushbutton acts like a pick resting on one pin (or whatever the mechanism is). Anyway, I'll keep fiddling and see if I can figure it out. Presumably, if a numb-fingered newbie like me can get anywhere, then these are not the sort of locks on which anything earth-shattering depends....

Cheers,

[MrB]

Mechanical combination locks like the Simplex have an interesting and intricate mechanism inside, but how they work and how to open them is not at all like picking keyed locks.

They are not quite as simple to manipulate open as you suggest, but you can get feedback from the keys and this is what eventually can allow the lock to be opened.

Search here and/or Google out there for Simplex and hobbit and you will find information about them.

[Buchanan]

Hi MrB,

Many thanks for the information - a quick search for 'Simplex' and 'hobbit' threw up mostly references to a five-button lock, whereas the ones I'm thinking of are fourteen buttons (ten digits, X,Y,Z and C) - but I will keep looking. And no doubt there are some commonalities in the mechanisms...

Cheers

[Varjeal]

Try Digitial Door Lock or DDL..They're usually silver, have a round opening knob, and use the xyz c buttons you mentioned. Thread locked.