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Weiser Keyway?

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Weiser Keyway?

Postby sheldonl » 3 Apr 2013 23:20

What is the standard keyway in a newly bought Weiser lock?

My grandmother's Weiser Locks are in the WR5 keyway. I have also seen the WR3 keyway used with other Weiser hardware.

Which is the standard? I don't see much of WR3, yet it is there. WR5 seems much more common.

Thank you for your input.

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Re: Weiser Keyway?

Postby cledry » 3 Apr 2013 23:30

sheldonl wrote:What is the standard keyway in a newly bought Weiser lock?

My grandmother's Weiser Locks are in the WR5 keyway. I have also seen the WR3 keyway used with other Weiser hardware.

Which is the standard? I don't see much of WR3, yet it is there. WR5 seems much more common.

Thank you for your input.

Best


WR3 & WR5 are the same except for the shape of the bow. The WR5 is the newer shape and is more square.
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Re: Weiser Keyway?

Postby LockDocWa » 4 Apr 2013 0:34

You know Weiser is now owned by Kwikset,
Don't be suprised to see new Weiser locks with Kwikset keys.
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Re: Weiser Keyway?

Postby Sinifar » 4 Apr 2013 7:43

Weiser still has the "booby trap" in the back of the cylinder, unless they changed it - maybe it is only the "D" line?

I am referring to the "bar" on the back of the cylinder which the key tip actuates, to engage the mechanism. Just haven't seen many Weiser locks anymore around here.

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Re: Weiser Keyway?

Postby sheldonl » 5 Apr 2013 20:16

cledry wrote:
sheldonl wrote:WR3 & WR5 are the same except for the shape of the bow. The WR5 is the newer shape and is more square.


Thanks for the input. When was the WR3 keyway phased out totally, in favor of the WR5 keyway? Is it ever specified in any newly sold hardware?

I am curious because WR3 seems to be a rare keyway, while WR5 is actually quite common. Thanks again.
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Re: Weiser Keyway?

Postby cledry » 6 Apr 2013 7:55

sheldonl wrote:
cledry wrote:
sheldonl wrote:WR3 & WR5 are the same except for the shape of the bow. The WR5 is the newer shape and is more square.


Thanks for the input. When was the WR3 keyway phased out totally, in favor of the WR5 keyway? Is it ever specified in any newly sold hardware?

I am curious because WR3 seems to be a rare keyway, while WR5 is actually quite common. Thanks again.


You didn't read my reply. WR3 and WR5 are just specifying the key blank which only differ only in shape of the bow. The keyway is the same.

Do you mean when did Weiser change the shape of the key? I'm thinking it happened in the 1990s but I can't be sure, it seems however that it happened at some time since I began locksmithing in the late 1980s. It was a non-event so I really didn't make a note of it.
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Re: Weiser Keyway?

Postby sheldonl » 6 Apr 2013 14:54

cledry wrote:
sheldonl wrote:
cledry wrote:You didn't read my reply. WR3 and WR5 are just specifying the key blank which only differ only in shape of the bow. The keyway is the same.

Do you mean when did Weiser change the shape of the key? I'm thinking it happened in the 1990s but I can't be sure, it seems however that it happened at some time since I began locksmithing in the late 1980s. It was a non-event so I really didn't make a note of it.


Well, my grandmother's house was built in 1967 and the Weiser locks originally came with the WR5 keyway, so WR5 has obviously been around for some time. So, if I understand you correctly the WR3 bow has been phsed out in favor of the WR5 bow? Is my assumption accurate?

I would also quess WR5 is still the standard today, while WR3 has been phased out entirely? Thanks for any clarification.
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Re: Weiser Keyway?

Postby cledry » 6 Apr 2013 23:25

There is no such thing as a WR5 keyway. The keys for a Weiser from 1960s would accept a WR5 key but the original key would have been the WR3. They are interchangeable.

Not quite sure how I can be any clearer.

My 1976 Ilco key catalog shows only the earlier bow, known as 1054WB. I've worked on really old Weiser locks 1955 vintage where you disassembled them by removing a large clip which allowed the entire knob to come out, then you had to use a special tool, known by the creative name of Weiser tool to hold the retainer cap while you unscrewed it with the key. Even these still had the same keyway.

Up until the present when they use the Kwikset Smart Key system they have had one keyway only. Falcon used to be the same company and they have different keyways.

Se below, the keyway is the same for both shape keys.

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Re: Weiser Keyway?

Postby cledry » 6 Apr 2013 23:28

Forgot there was actually an earlier shape Weiser, WR2. However it too was the same keyway as the others.

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