hook or diamond

[IndigoChild]

Handle moves down.
Tip of pick, Moves up.
Standard movement of all picks.
But the bend makes this more prominent.


I try to describe this one as best as I can. But I am not really sure. It is a lever. You are using leverage. Think about how gears work and lever systems. When you go from big to small, you get a lot of power. It moves slow and more accurately. hmmmm... You just need to get one ane play with it for your self bud because I am afraid I cant explain better than this.

[GWiens2001]

ARF-GEF,

Flip his directions over. He is writing directions for locks mounted with the pins at the top of the keyway (American style) instead of with the pins at the bottom of the keyway (European style).

Place the straight end of the Deforest along the edge of the keyway opposite the pins, so it can be slid back without contacting the pins in the front. Then move the back of the handle away from the pins. The angle of the Deforest then becomes a fulcrum, levering the tip up higher and with more strength.

Gordon

[GWiens2001]

Edit to above post...

This is much easier to do with the 'wide open' keyways in many American locks. Much harder in a tight, twisty keyway like a Roto.

Gordon

[ARF-GEF]

Thanks Gordon I think you tackled both of the things which kept me from getting this method
I forgot up is down with locks when you cross the Atlantic Ocean and I didn't thought about those straight keyways.

Now that I got those straight your original explanation got a lot more clear Indigochild:)
I got the method all right the first time already I just didn't get how it would work. But considering those thing it all became obvious..

[IndigoChild]

Have you tried it? Probe and Feel is what I call it. I like to get to know the lock before I even attempt to pick it open.

[ARF-GEF]

Not yet. Probably on the weekend when I have more free time. But it sound good.

[IndigoChild]

I will convert you in a violent religious manner. You too will know the true power of deforrest picks and you will Share the love with all whome you cross.

[ARF-GEF]

I will convert you in a violent religious manner. You too will know the true power of deforrest picks and you will Share the love with all whome you cross.

I never realised I had the pleasure of personally talking to the Vicar On Earth Of Deforrest Picking
I MUST get a picture with you. It shall sit on my desk facing the visitors

[IndigoChild]

Good good, I can see many disciples in your future. You will make for a good master.

[ARF-GEF]

[Luissen]

Lots of great tips and breakdown here. I love my slimline medium/long hook (its not quite either, and kinda fugly since its my first homebrew done while half awake). When I started picking, I had no idea how to use a rake, so I used the diamond, until I came a cross some rather evil high/low biting and grabbed the hook for the first time.

[escher7]

I often have trouble getting even a short hook under the pins, especially if the vertical space is limited. I assume the technique will come with time but for now the half diamond plus Bogota style picks are what I use.

[Luissen]

I often have trouble getting even a short hook under the pins,

Curious, what kind of torque tool position (top/bottom of keyway) do you use? I find that putting the wrench in the top (where ever the pins are) gives me more space for SPP, but bottom helps me with getting things like rakes and diamonds in (I might be doing it wrong, but I use a more level stroke with the diamond than I do with the hooks)

I assume the technique will come with time but for now the half diamond plus Bogota style picks are what I use.

I've never tried a Bogota, but when I started, I loved my diamond... Then I met Mr. Spool pin

[Arimane]

I'm a beginner, but I tend to use the hald diamond more than the hook for SPP. Only if half diamond doesn't work, for the keyway is too narrow or I have some difficoult reaching the pins, I pass to the hook( or the deforrest, as someone say here... I didn't think it was so great, 'til I tried. A usefull pick indeed! )

[kerti]

Hook is more precision tool.