Standard Masters vs. Commercial Masters

[Rusty_Shackleford]

Are there any differences between the standard blue bumpered masters vs the commercial double bumpered padlocks? The only think I notice is that the bottom lamination on the commercials only allows the key to turn one way and may help with preventing plug pulling. Any differences on the internals?

[phrygianradar]

I'm not sure exactly what you mean my "double bumpered" padlock, but if you are talking about Master lock padlocks vs. Master pro series padlocks, in my experience the pro series have spooled driver pins in them. Some have shackle guards and other features but the standard difference is the extra pick resistant spools.

I will let other people chime in if they want to correct me and/or add more info, but that has been what I have encountered.

[GWiens2001]

Unless I am mistaken, some of the commercial grade laminated Master locks are rekeyable.

Gordon

[phrygianradar]

Very true Gordon, plus I forgot to mention that some of the "blue bumpered" Master locks are warded locks and would have all sorts of different parts inside in that case!

[Rusty_Shackleford]

I am referencing to these here:


I was just curious if there was any differences between them that makes the top one "commercial" grade. All of the newer master rekeyables are either pro series or "commercial" grade. I have yet to find a security difference in them, they all have the same wun hung lo casted cylinders in them.

[phrygianradar]

The normal Master padlocks have 4 pins and the commercial ones have 5. Aside from those things mentioned already, commercial Masters can have better quality metal and better anti drilling or prying features. They use a different key blank (doesn't make it more secure I think?) so they have a different cylinder also.

That's about all I got on the subject. Not sure if it helped, but there it is.

[cledry]

I've got both at my shop and I don't really see much difference. Both have the same number of pins in the same size padlock. The commercial grade have the boron steel shackle and the regular has regular case hardened shackles.

So pretty much the shackle and the items you already noticed seem to be the differences.

They aren't rekeyable, they don't have more pins or better cylinders.

[cledry]

The normal Master padlocks have 4 pins and the commercial ones have 5. Aside from those things mentioned already, commercial Masters can have better quality metal and better anti drilling or prying features. They use a different key blank (doesn't make it more secure I think?) so they have a different cylinder also.

That's about all I got on the subject. Not sure if it helped, but there it is.

Not true, they use the same key and will have the same number of pins. A number 3 and a 3 commercial both still have 4 pins.

[LockDocWa]

They are basically the same padlock.
The commercial is the "New and Improved"
Sexier, late model version of the same old padlock.

Nothing much more than cosmetics.......................

[phrygianradar]

Thank you for correcting me, learn something new every day! I was looking at the Master lock site and I thought that it said the commercial have 5 pins, but I guess I was wrong. All I know for sure is that the price is different!

[Evan]

Unless I am mistaken, some of the commercial grade laminated Master locks are rekeyable.

Gordon

Yes, the 21, 24, 25, 27 and 101 laminated padlocks have a trap door at the bottom that is removable with an allen wrench when the padlock is opened to allow for cylinder replacement/rekeying...

~~ Evan

[GWiens2001]

Unless I am mistaken, some of the commercial grade laminated Master locks are rekeyable.

Gordon

Yes, the 21, 24, 25, 27 and 101 laminated padlocks have a trap door at the bottom that is removable with an allen wrench when the padlock is opened to allow for cylinder replacement/rekeying...

~~ Evan

***scribbles furiously***

Thanks, Evan. I was wondering which ones.

[cledry]

Unless I am mistaken, some of the commercial grade laminated Master locks are rekeyable.

Gordon

Yes, the 21, 24, 25, 27 and 101 laminated padlocks have a trap door at the bottom that is removable with an allen wrench when the padlock is opened to allow for cylinder replacement/rekeying...

~~ Evan

***scribbles furiously***

Thanks, Evan. I was wondering which ones.

They are the same as the ones that don't have commercial written on them. When we order the locks we may get the blue single bumper or we may get the gray two bumper commercial one. A 21 is basically the same no matter which version. I suspect the blue ones are just being phased out.