Need help Gutting a Gemini

[l0ckcr4ck3r]

I would like to gut a Gemini Rim cylinder and not sure how to disassemble it, I didnt want to just start ripping screws out of it!!
I can see a c-clip on the back that looks captive by the tailpiece adapter and then theres the large slotted screw in the top of the cylinder thats very tight.
Any ideas or pointers would be welcome.. thanks!

[GWiens2001]

I suspect that with that screw removed, the plug can be turned with the key, then removed. Just remember the plug follower!

Gordon

[Evan]

If memory serves me properly,

Removing the slotted screw will allow the Kaba cylinder to be removed from the mortise housing... The "c" clip you can see underneath the tailpiece/cam adapter is holding the plug into the "inner" cylinder and you have to remove it from the housing first before you can take it apart...

Basically unscrew the screw and the piece including the plug and the raised ring around it will pop out the face of the cylinder...

~~ Evan

[fgarci03]

I suspect that with that screw removed, the plug can be turned with the key, then removed.

Or you can just send it over to me and I'll get it back to you in....

A year?




Joking with ya! Never had a Gemini, can't be of much help, but all those hints seem to be right!

[l0ckcr4ck3r]

Thanks for the instructions guys... worked well, that set screw was just feckin' tight!!!! i was just afraid of pins flying everywhere followed by the worst jigsaw puzzle imaginable

I can now see why the outer core is built in 2 parts, i think a custom made pin loader is gunna be required from some 3/8 brass tube, but here some shots of the guts.

I suspect that with that screw removed, the plug can be turned with the key, then removed.

Or you can just send it over to me and I'll get it back to you in....

A year?

If you're are quick fgarci03 i think theres still a couple up for grabs on FleaBay for like 20 bucks... Im not even gunna attempt to pick this yet... theres a couple of multlocks that need attacking first
http://www.ebay.com/itm/KABA-GEMINI-HIGH-SECURITY-RIM-CYLINDER-FOR-LOCKSMITH-SHOP-OR-BUSNESS-OWNER-/221221084095?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3381cddbbf
http://www.ebay.com/itm/KABA-GEMINI-HIGH-SECURITY-MORTISE-CYLINDER-FOR-LOCKSMITH-SHOP-OR-BUSNESS-OWNER-/221221566491?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3381d5381b

[fgarci03]

Thanks for the gutshots mate!
The Gemini really is a beautifull lock!

[GWiens2001]

While those drivers look to be mostly barrel pins, the key pins seem to be quite an assortment. This looks to be a mean pick. Makes my Sargent KESO look like a kid's lock.

Gordon

[phrygianradar]

Great shots man! I absolutely love Kaba locks, I have a Gemini and a Kaba Baldwin 8 neither of which I can pick... but still, they are really beautiful. Thanks for gutting yours, I have been working on picking mine and I don't want to take it apart until I get it picked, so it may never happen!

[phrygianradar]

Well, I guess I can gut my Gemini now. Was it hard to get back together? I am not really wanting to make a huge, huge mess. But at the same time I want to see what I was up against. If it is really hard to put back together, I am not sure. I will probably do it anyway. If I do, I will post the pics of it for anyone who wants to see it. I'm sure it wouldn't look all that different from yours as I don't expect to find anything out of the ordinary. Plus your pictures were already great, almost no need to do it except for my own benefit.

[fgarci03]

I would be nice to see what assortments it gets from lock to lock!
But I don't think I would be able to assemble it again so...

[l0ckcr4ck3r]

Was it hard to get back together?

To be honest... it was an utter nightmare!!! I probably could have done it more easily if i had pinned it from the outside but i didnt want to take the chrome cover off the outer core. It always nice to see how your own locks work but be prepared to spend an hour putting it back together. I had to make a tool out of 3/8 brass tube and ill put the plans here if anyone decides they "need" to take their gemini apart as well. Print the .PNG on an address label,scaling should remain correct at 3.01mm wide, stick to the tube, center dot, chain drill using 2mm bit and then file out the remainder, enjoy

[phrygianradar]

That is a really cool idea. I have seen those for other more common plugs that you can buy, but obviously this is not a common lock to take apart. When I get a bit of time I will dedicate it to taking mine apart and taking some pics and then putting it back together. Kind of a daunting task, but you proved it can be done, so I am less afraid to do it now. Again, thanks for the great shots and innovative plug loader plans!

[fgarci03]

I know this is a stupid question, but how do you use that tool?

LOL

[GWiens2001]

It is actually a good question, fgarci03. Have not used one myself, but as I understand it, you insert the tool into the cylinder, then as the slot lines up with one of the driver pin chambers, you insert the spring and driver pin, press them into the chamber, and turn the tool, trapping the driver and spring, aligning another hole. This would be very easy to do with a standard pin tumbler or dimple lock, but is a little trickier with the Gemini, with pins coming in from multiple sides.

The tool also functions as a follower, so once the chambers are filled, you install the plug.

Gordon

[fgarci03]

Just... Genious!