schlage everest 29 primus XP ? wtf

[ARF-GEF]

I'm totally confused by some of the Schlages...
What is this "29" thing? And what does XP mean?

There is this everest 29 primus XP.
I know what primus means, it is a second line of biting. So a primus key looks like an ASSA twin with the same basic idea, albeit different method.
Everest means it picks up that little pin at the end.

But what's up with this which is everything all together: Everest, 29, primus, and XP too?
Is 29 a new keyway? Then what is XP?
Also, what is it like if you combine the everest and primus? Is is just as simple as the 2 things added together? Like it picks up a pin and has the side pins too?

Schlage's homepage is not really helpful either. It's all flashy and colourful, but it's so hard to hunt down actual infos apart from the marketing .
I just watched a 6 minutes long "educational video" from them, totally void of any useful factual information on how they actually work...

[Evan]

Everest Primus XP means the newer version of Primus on the Everest keyways, old Primus versus XP, the XP has a 7th finger pin available for an extra shallow depth on the side bitting...

In what context does the 29 relate to the Primus XP cylinder ?

~~ Evan

[ARF-GEF]

So the XP just means there is one extra pin length.
You mention Everest keyway.
I though Everest meant not the keyway, but the method in which a pin is picked up at the bottom of the keyway. Or does it mean both that and a new keyway?
So if it's everest and primus too does it pick up that finger pin thing and has the side biting as well?

In what context does the 29 relate to the Primus XP cylinder ?

Here it say the XP means the side biting:
http://w3.securitytechnologies.com/products/keysystems/schlage_key_systems/cylinder_mech/Pages/details.aspx?InfoID=28
But I thought primus in itseld already meant that... I am quite confident the simple Schlage in itself has side bitings.

here, check out the picture.
http://w3.securitytechnologies.com/Products/Keysystems/schlage_key_systems/Pages/default.aspx
So as I gather: Everest means that single pin at teh bottom frome where it's picked up by the side biting.
Primus stands for the one with the full side biting, with 5 or so pins at the side. As you said XP stands for the extra plus one possible pin length.
Then there are the ones whose mechanism I don't get:
Everest 29 primus
Everest 29 primus XP (which is then only the extra version with the additional pin length?)
What is that 29? It has something to do with the hole in the key, but I don't know what.

I don't get how is the customer supposed to choose when they won't explain the differences...

[Squelchtone]

watch the videos on the RIGHT side of this page: http://w3.securitytechnologies.com/Prod ... fault.aspx

They say the 29 is because the patent is good until 2029



Squelchtone

[ARF-GEF]

Thanks Squelch!
So 29 is basically a new keyway, right?
Booooriiing....

So new question : What is that hole in the keys? I don't mean the round one, that is for the key fob
The rectangular one, located where the bow meets the blade. Only members of the 29 series seem to have it. Is it some extra trick up in the sleeve of 29 apart from the new keyway?

[Evan]

Original Primus patent expired... XP Primus added the 7th type of finger pin to again patent it...

Everest is the keyway family versus Classic Obverse "C" "E" "F" etc...

Everest 29 Primus XP is a new family of keyways with a patent protected "under cut" special milling on the keyblank...

"Everest" means the recently added Everest C and D multiple keyway family products which when just a conventional cylinder is being considered has the "check pin" which basically means it is looking for the cut out on the key in the side bitting area so that an Everest key can not be modified to operate Primus cylinders...

"Everest Primus" means the same cylinder without the "check pin" which uses 5 of the finger pins with depths high and low and the three skews... The patent protection on Primus has expired...

"Everest Primus XP" is the new product which adds the 7th finger pin (extra shallow) in order to extend the patent protection on the older Primus products...

"Everest 29 Primus XP" is a Everest 29 keyway cylinder with the "29" milling feature (which is patented until 2029) combined with Primus XP side bittings...

I do not know why you would worry about such things, Primus products are only available on the commercial product lines and you would either be getting the locksmith/dealer keyway if you wanted a small number of cylinders or would be establishing a keying system with the factory for a larger order...

~~ Evan

[jeffmoss26]

The Everest 29 itself is just new keyways/a new way of milling so they could get a new patent til 2029. S, T, and R keyways (replacing C, D, and B)
Everest 29 Primus and Everest 29 Primus XP are the same as before but with the new keyway families.

[Squelchtone]

Thanks Squelch!
So 29 is basically a new keyway, right?
Booooriiing....

So new question : What is that hole in the keys? I don't mean the round one, that is for the key fob
The rectangular one, located where the bow meets the blade. Only members of the 29 series seem to have it. Is it some extra trick up in the sleeve of 29 apart from the new keyway?

I want to be clear that "29" is not a keyway number or a new keyway shape/profile. it's not like a SC1 or a Y1. it is a model number like the Medeco Biaxial is to the Medeco M3. Consider the M3 name the same thing as 29, but the Medeco S1 commercial keyway is not the same thing as M3, it is just one of the keyways that an Medeco M3 can be purchased in, just like the Schlage Everest 29 can be purchased in the T145 keyway.

I don't know what the gimmick is with the hole in the key and how they use it to make the undercut for the side pins, but it sure sounds gimmicky. It's no more creative than Medeco's stupid slider mechanism on the M3. It's just a utility patent extension so they can tell people they're the only ones with key blanks, so your system is protected to such and such date (2029 in Schlage's case)

I could foresee them putting a VATS pellet or some sort of RFID chip in that hole down the road, and maybe they already planned to do so.

Squelchtone