Scowt wrote:Well didn't expect to get attacked on this forum. Thought this community was a little more laid back. Also I'm not an ignorant newbie. I am new to this but not dismissive of any lesson given. Its just a question on sideways key ways.
Scowt, it is a natural reaction from what I have seen that when a n00b gets flamed for either not following house rules on a forum or for being ignorant of some "everybody knows this answer, let him go Search for it" that people feel yelled at and attacked. This is the internet, and everyone has to have a thicker skin than in real life. That doesn't mean its ok to be a-holes to each other, but it's sometimes hard to read tone of voice, and what seems like someone ganging up on you is just a bunch of people who are trying to offer their experiences to a new comer.
Do not take anything personally here, but over the internet we are 100% unable to verify someone's story, so we always proceed with caution in giving out possibly damaging information that could be used for theft, mischief, or worst. One thing locksport isn't and one thing this forum isn't is B&E101.com
Sometimes people come to ask us stuff and straight up think this is a criminal hang out and they're taken back when we don't offer a quick and quiet way of popping a car ignition, a safe lock, or a Coke machine. That's just the sort of info that we don't want getting in to the wrong hands so we do the best we can in vetting the person asking. They're actually taken back when we don't just answer their questions. but but ,this is lockpicking101.. yeah it is, and it's a cool place with lots of interesting info, but we still have rules, it's not some sort of digital wasteland for bad guys.
Getting back to your lever set, one of the other reasons we didn't help you with the answer to how to pick it if it is sideways.. well here's the actual answer: it's the same exact f**ing thing (imagine me screaming this in a very irate but friendly way) as if it was the normal way up or upside down or if it was a padlock hanging on a hasp. The handle set does not do anything to how the pins and springs interact inside the lock cylinder. It could be a deadbolt, a round knob, a handle set, whatever, the principal of how a pin tumbler lock works is the same. Apply some turning force on the plug, insert pick and start pushing the driver pins out of the plug by means of pushing on the key pins, and if you happen to push the key pins the correct distance, they push the driver pins out of the plug, a shear line is created, and voila, the plug turns and the lock opens.
The take away: We didn't help on that lock, because A. it was a work lock, and you shouldn't practice on work locks, and B. you didn't seem to have the fundamental knowledge of how pin tumblers work and didn't have the experience to recognize that its just a normal Schlage core, but happens to be sitting sideways, which C. leads to A. having a good chance of ending badly because of lack of knowledge an experience.
D. nobody said you're a criminal, but we're not psychic and the internet is a big place with lots of interesting people. We have the right to be cautious, and not be overly helpful if certain flags go up in a new users post. No hard feelings, I can tell that in no time, you too will be giving new members a hard time once you become proficient with locks and picking and accustomed to the house rules.
Having opened some locks at home in your small collection by inserting picks and wiggling them around is a good start. But I think your next step is to take some locks apart and really learn how the parts work, how a real key works inside a lock, and then how a pick and wrench actually accomplish the picking of a lock. A Brinks deadbolt from Walmart or a Defiant deadbolt from Home Depot is a great way to take a lock apart, and then pin it up pin by pin and learn how the parts interact. I'm a visual learner so that's my preferred method, your mileage may vary.
Squelchtone
. It's the internet. 