Key stuck in lock.

[Norwegiandude]

Hello

First of all i'd like to say im a beginner at this hobby.

I tried repinning a lock that i got, and everything went fine except i messed up the repinning.



Is it anyway i can get the key out?

[YouLuckyFox]

Could you tell us how many pins were loaded in the bible and plug before this unhappy incident occurred? My guess is something like this happened:

Firstly when he used the regular follower he didn't turn the plug before pushing it out with the follower. In this case he was OK doing this, but many 6 pin cylinders are keyed to 5 pin, the 6th chamber being empty. If this had been the case he would have dropped the 5th top pin into the empty 6th position in the lock, possibly locking it in place and at a minimum destroying a spring. So always turn the plug before inserting the follower.

If you can manufacture something like a comb pick, you could work the contents in the plug (other than the key pins) back up into the lock. If you don't have a set of comb picks, you can manufacture one from a strong wire bent in an L-shape with the shorter part of the "L" being as long as possible while still fitting in the lock (hope this makes sense, pictures can be provided if needed). If you have more than one driver chamber emptying into a vacant key chamber, this can be very difficult without a comb pick that will lift all of the chamber contents at once.

Heres a modification of your picture to help you understand my sometimes incorrect terminology:


Link to what a comb pick would look like:
http://www.lockpickshop.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/COMB-PICK-SET.jpg

Hopefully other members will give their solutions, this is just how I've been able to solve this problem.

[Squelchtone]

Hit the cylinder against a hard surface such as a vice or concrete steps or metal stair rail, while at the same time trying to pull the plug out of the lock one step at a time. Timing will be critical.

Keep hitting the cylinder in sharp quick blows, in order to bounce the pin stacks and create a shearline. I believe some would call this rapping, and it is where the idea for bumping came from years ago.

You may also use a wooden mallet to strike the lock body from the bottom or top to see if it gives better results than hitting the lock against other surfaces.

I think you will have to pull the plug and key OUT and not push it IN because the 7th chamber spring has already pushed the driver pin down, but it is worth a shot to maybe try to hit the lock and push the key and plug in. This may crush a spring, so it's up to you to try it.

hth,
Squelchtone

[Raymond]

Five of the seven pins are locked up. The key has most likely pushed some bottom pin above the shear line so picking from the back is probably out of the question even if you could access the back. If rapping on wood does not work, it is time to drill out the caps of spaces 2 through 6. Dump the pins and turn the plug before pulling it out again.

[GWiens2001]

And once you have drilled out the caps, use a tap to thread them, and install threaded screw caps. Voila... Instant easily repinnable practice lock!

Gordon

[Norwegiandude]

Got my key out guys!

Thanks for the heads up. There is a question i got regarding the pins tho.

This lock is the cheapest lock i've found here in Norway, off the cylinder types. What kind of spools are the ones with the little extension below it?
And is it any places i can buy a lock that only got normal non-security pins? Its a hassle to practice on Norwegian locks as they only have spools etc pins..

[GWiens2001]

Those are double spools. Are the pin channels countermilling, too?

Will send you a lock with normal driver pins and extra spool driver pins for a Norwegian lock. PM me if you are interested in a trade.

Gordon

[fgarci03]

@Norwegiandude,

Those pins are awesome!
Have you managed to pick it?

The bevels on the keypins make it a little easier to rake, but a pain to SPP, because you feel counter-rotation like a spool even when it's set.

It's a different counter-rotation, but if you're not aware it may fool you


Have a picture of the complete lock?

[Norwegiandude]

@fgarci03

Im actually a beginner in lock picking so the answer is no hehe.

The reason why i bought that lock is because its cheap and i thought it didn't have security pins..I was wrong!

I wanted to dismantle the lock, re-pin it with one pin and do the exercise posted on this forum, but having only one normal pin and 6 spools/2 double spools is making that hard.

I can rake up random padlocks etc, but to be honest i want to learn and master SPP

[fgarci03]

I can rake up random padlocks etc, but to be honest i want to learn and master SPP

You're new here and I already like you

It's good to know that the cheapest of locks has security pins.
If you do make a trade with Gordon, you'll have lots of pins to play with. DB's exercise is very important and will help you to master SPP in no time.

After that, you can throw a security pin or two to the mix to make it a bigger challenge. Those double spools are really cool because you have to set them twice!

But you can still practice on it with 3 or 4 pins, putting 1 or 2 security pins with the regular drivers

Good luck, and happy pickings!

[l0ckcr4ck3r]

This lock is the cheapest lock i've found here in Norway

Blahahhaahahah!!!!! If thats what the cheap locks are like, i would really like to see what Norway considers a High Security lock

Seriously though, welcome to the forum and id also be happy to trade something from over here for one of those Oval Cylinders!!!

[Squelchtone]

Got my key out guys!

Congrats, how did you do it?

[Wizer]

You have an cheap imitation of Assa 700 series cylinder.
It takes Assa blanks and might even have same cuts and spacings as Assa, but the quality in most cases in not even near to Assa.
I´m quite sure there are no counter-millings in pin columns.
I got mine from Biltema (cheapish harware store in few European countries), and it was the first 7-pin lock I picked and made video of.
You might want to look for practice locks from internet shops. You can get 5-6 pin euro cylinder for 5-10 euros, so with postage and possible taxes they´re still ceaper than the 20-30 euros I paid for my Assa knock-off.
Happy picking!

[Norwegiandude]

@l0ckcr4ck3r
That lock costs about 28usd. Padlocks are of course ten times as cheap. Seen TrioVing high security padlocks at the price of 764(!) usd
would love to see a video of someone picking that

@Squelchtone
I was watching The Walking Dead while having the lock+key in my hands. I had my smallest hook in from the back and was kinda
fooling around with it. It turned out to be only 1 pin that held the key in, so guess i managed to pick the pin back up. Dident realize it before i suddenly took my key out!

@Wizer
Would you PM me with a shop online that sells practice locks, and the lock i got there was from Biltema indeed. Would love to see your video of picking it aswell

[Wizer]

I will post here instead of PMing you. Maybe someone else will find this helpful later too.
By practice locks I mean cheap euro cylinders sold in many online shops.
Usually I have ordered my practice locks from wholesallers that will sell only to businesses like https://www.sks.co.uk/
But google for them, first suitable on the list that I found was: http://www.screwfix.com/c/ironmongery-security/6-pin-euro-cylinders/cat810304.
Now I have never ordered from there, its just an example. Maybe others will recommend good suorces for cheap locks.
Here is the video I made a while ago, this is maybe the only lock I have picked with a full hook.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6tkoK4CYYg