help to identify and pick this type of lock

[keevill]

Can someone identify this type of lock and give me a pointer to some link where I can learn how to pick ?
I have just started lockpicking and can successfully open most of the 'ordinary ' locks around my house using standard tension tool and single pick procedure.
However , the type pictured above has a fully rotatable keyway so there's no way to get any tension on it and anyway, the pins are concealed from my inexperienced eyes and tool operations.
There are many similar locks of differing sizes around my house and my family are teasing me .
Thanks for any help.
-keevill-

[GWiens2001]

It is a cheap disc detainer lock. There are no pins in that lock, and standard lock picks for pin tumbler locks are not very effective on disc detainer locks.

Gordon

[Squelchtone]

Can someone identify this type of lock and give me a pointer to some link where I can learn how to pick ?
I have just started lockpicking and can successfully open most of the 'ordinary ' locks around my house using standard tension tool and single pick procedure.
However , the type pictured above has a fully rotatable keyway so there's no way to get any tension on it and anyway, the pins are concealed from my inexperienced eyes and tool operations.
There are many similar locks of differing sizes around my house and my family are teasing me .
Thanks for any help.
-keevill-

That is a clone of the famous Abloy lock, it is not pickable with regular lock pick tools. There are no pins or springs, only discs, like a safe lock. Read these two papers and you will quickly put that lock down and walk away from it =)

http://toool.nl/images/5/58/Abloy.pdf

http://toool.nl/images/f/f3/Abloypart2.pdf

You will not be picking that.. ever. Most of us who have been doing this for 5 to 10 years cannot pick such a lock.

period.
Squelchtone

[keevill]

oh dear then that rules out most of the locks in my close environment.
Seems that these are the main sellers in my country. ( Thailand ).
Thx for your info - much appreciated.
-keevill-

[ARF-GEF]

Fun fact about such locks: sometimes cheap ones can be even harder to pick than the well made ones.
That's because of horrible tolerances discs getting stuck and so on

[spoonzor]

they can be picked, but you need a special tool: http://dx.com/p/disc-locks-pick-17618
Also in the older ones the numbers can be seen on the disks of you rotate them one by one and look trough the keyhole. With the numbers you can order the key online.

but euhm, why would you want to pick locks "in your environment"??