Commando Lock New Generation Boron Shackle Y1+ Keyway

[Squelchtone]

I just did my presentation video on the new Commando Lock prototype that Gordon already reviewed here:



For more information please read the description and please also make sure to watch bills picking and destructive entry approach video on it:



Enjoy!

[snake_wrangler]

Both really great videos. I recommend them to everyone!

Nice work, Dicey

[dicey]

Thanks wrangler!

Someone mentioned that it would not be a restricted keyway. Here in Germany it is stated as a light restricted paracentric keyway. Or let's say that is what my locksmith said and also has written in his book on keyways and stuff like that

[jeffmoss26]

I think what you meant to say is the keyway 'restricts' picking more than the standard Y1 keyway.
When I hear restricted keyway I normally think of blanks that can't be purchased from a standard hardware store/distributor.

[dicey]

Well here we are jeff, the world is different everywhere you look. In my country this is a light restricted paracentric keyway in yours maybe not, who cares? Here you can not buy blanks in hardware stores at least not these blanks. I did not "mean" to say that it restrcicts picking more than the standard M1 keyway, I SAID it in the video. Maybe it is not restricted after all but then again it restricts picking and therefore it is restricted, at least for me.

FYI: I usually do not speak to people who talk bad behind my back or even at me when I am not there. Because these people do NOT HAVE the BALLS to do it in public!

I always liked you jeff and never spoke in a bad way about nor to you

If you know it any better just provide us with the right information and make your own video!

[jeffmoss26]

I just want people to have the right information. Calling a lock by a keyway name that does not even exist only makes things more confusing!

[dicey]

Other countries might have other terminology.

I might be wrong and then I will admit that no problem!
There is always a way to state criticism in a moderate way and without bitching etc.

I am talking about "keyway restriction" in the video and it is a keyway restriction because it is a restrictive keyway. I only used the word "restricted keyway" once or twice and that was an accident. I always tried to use "restrictive keyway" which is not wrong.

If you know what the right name for the keyway is then why don't you just tell us?
If you are really sure it is the Y52 then just tell us so and I will add that. I only know it as Y1 but you could be right that it is the one with a too large diameter.

[GWiens2001]

I think what Dicey is trying to say is being lost in the translation. Remember, even though his English is quite good, English is not his first language. What he means to say is the keyway is restrictive(Restriktive), meaning that it is, as Jeff says, it is more difficult to maneuver a pick inside the keyway. It is more paracentric than a M10 blank. Restricted (Eingeschränkt) means that the key blanks are supposed to have limited availability.

Languages can be difficult to translate unless some is fluent in both languages. Hopefully I am understanding the issue correctly, and Dicey, please excuse any misspelling in my German.

Gordon

[jeffmoss26]

Other countries might have other terminology.

I might be wrong and then I will admit that no problem!
There is always a way to state criticism in a moderate way and without bitching etc.

I am talking about "keyway restriction" in the video and it is a keyway restriction because it is a restrictive keyway. I only used the word "restricted keyway" once or twice and that was an accident. I always tried to use "restrictive keyway" which is not wrong.

If you know what the right name for the keyway is then why don't you just tell us?
If you are really sure it is the Y52 then just tell us so and I will add that. I only know it as Y1 but you could be right that it is the one with a too large diameter.

Myself and others have mentioned the name of this keyway in other posts. Evan was the first one to point it out, I believe.

[dicey]

That is exactly what I was trying to say but jeff could be right, even though the Y1 and the Y52 are the same in shape they are not the same in size. In my locksmiths catalog both looked the same and he said it is the Y1+. Since everyone can do mistakes and everyone on keypicking mentioned the Y11 even though that one was also to large the Y1 keyway may also be the too large version of them both.

In this case jeff would be right as it is the Y52.

I just do not like his attitude and the way he is talking behind my back. I am a very direct person and if I do not like someones accent or something else I just tell him/her that.

The video is removed until further notice.

PS: Even though Y1 might have been wrong Patricks manufacturer was able to understand what he wanted and produced the right product. It can not be that wrong after all then.

[jeffmoss26]

Y11 = SMALL


Y1 = BIG

[zeke79]

I honestly dont think anyone was talking "behind your back". It's a forum, we post here to interact with others in the hobby and promote discussion. From someone who speaks english as my first language I can tell you that Jeff was not being confrontational or disrespectful.

[dicey]

Well you were right jeff.

I have just talked to Brian Morland a locksmith from the UK and he told me that it actually is the Y52 keyway and key as you said. We both agreed that the keyway is nearly the same shape than the Y1 and that my locksmith probably was not wrong saying it is the Y1, both really look much alike (Y1+ being 5 pins and Y1 6 pins). He probably did not understand or recognise that people are also going to buy the blanks for it and that therefore Y1 is not correct and Y52 is correct. However Brian also stated that the Y11 is too big and not usable for the Commando Lock 5 pin core as it has a too large diameter.

AB62R is actually an ABUS blank, I have some Y5/Y52 blanks that also fit.

Y52 it is jeff I accept defeat and should have done better research.

I still do not like your attitude and the way you are talking about me and I will say that here in public as I have no problem with that. And as said before I said "restrictive" most of the time maybe except 1-2 times and have no idea why you got me wrong there. My first language is not English and I did not expect people to be that picky on that.

I honestly dont think anyone was talking "behind your back". It's a forum, we post here to interact with others in the hobby and promote discussion. From someone who speaks english as my first language I can tell you that Jeff was not being confrontational or disrespectful.

He knows what I mean. He is talking bad behind my back in an online chat.

[zeke79]

Ah, I gotcha. You two are welcome to hash that out however you like. Thumbwrestle, fistfight, flog each other with wet bambo I dont care but wherever you settle it make sure it is not on the lp101 open forums.

[jeffmoss26]

However Brian also stated that the Y11 is too big and not usable for the Commando Lock 5 pin core as it has a too large diameter.

The Y11 blank and keyway is actually SMALLER than the Y52 blank and keyway. Again, Y11 is a disc/wafer lock and not a pin tumbler lock.