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unusual type lock

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unusual type lock

Postby Chemiosmosis » 3 Aug 2013 5:38

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i bought this lock few years ago, in korea.
there is letters on padlock: <DAE HAN>, [PUSH] on push button, [Boring type pad lock] on its body.
what is boring type? i think this lock company didn't know well about lock types or just invented it...

key is little less then a mm thick, 1.4cm width and 3.3cm long (only inserted part)
key inserted without any resistance until before last 1cm.
key can inserted/removed whenever the lock is open or closed, but cannot removed when button is pushed. button can't pushed without key.

it seemed to be picked by Impressioning or bypass using shim, but i didn't tried.


i didn't know how it works, what kind of lock is this. even name of this lock. if anybody know about lock type or something similar with this, please reply. thx.
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Re: unusual type lock

Postby GWiens2001 » 3 Aug 2013 8:08

Have not seen that kind of lock before, so taking a wild guess here...

Try using a stiff wire to push into the keyway to push back that spring plunger that the key presses when it is fully inserted (avoiding where the slotted holes are located in the key area), then press the button

Let me know if that works. And if you are interested in trading for that lock, PM me. It looks unusual.

Gordon

P.S. It does not look too Boring to me! :wink: Thanks for the post.
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Re: unusual type lock

Postby daniel22747 » 4 Aug 2013 4:11

I don't think that is a boring type padlock... in fact it is very interesting!!! :lol:
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Re: unusual type lock

Postby Shannon77 » 25 Aug 2013 22:57

I don't like this unusual type because this is easily open with a pin that is not best for locking. Abus Granit Extreme 59 is best for locking, i use this lock.
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Re: unusual type lock

Postby Squelchtone » 26 Aug 2013 7:42

daniel22747 wrote:I don't think that is a boring type padlock... in fact it is very interesting!!! :lol:


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Re: unusual type lock

Postby phrygianradar » 26 Aug 2013 8:15

The key looks exactly like the style of keycard they used on old hotels in the 1950s (?). I just stayed at a hotel near Disneyland about a month ago called, "The Candy Cane Inn", and they still used those old plastic cards with holes in them. I believe they are a Schlage thing and they guy who was setting it up gave me a little tour of his workshop to show me some of the old locks and whatnot. I took some pictures but none of them came out well enough to even post and I didn't even take a picture of the keycard :( , but it looks like the same thing. You push the card in the door lock, leave it in there and push down on the handle and you can hear it click as it opens. The Schlage cylinder is still masterkeyed to bypass the keycard, but that is only emergencies. Which do happen at the magic kingdom in Anehiem CA...believe it or not.

Really cool lock, not boring what-so-ever!
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Re: unusual type lock

Postby zeke79 » 26 Aug 2013 8:30

The lock on the hotel room was a ving card lock. The key looks similar to the padlock key above but wider.
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Re: unusual type lock

Postby phrygianradar » 27 Aug 2013 7:55

zeke79 wrote:The lock on the hotel room was a ving card lock. The key looks similar to the padlock key above but wider.

Thank you Zeke... Ving! I thought it must be related to Schlage because they had Schlage mortice cylinders in the door as well. I remember now that the guy told me the name "Ving", but I think it must have gone in one ear and out the other. :oops:
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Re: unusual type lock

Postby Chemiosmosis » 7 Sep 2013 6:34

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sorry i accidently delete picture :( i re-upload here.
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Re: unusual type lock

Postby mh » 7 Sep 2013 14:32

OMG, borings indeed ;)
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Re: unusual type lock

Postby mechanical_nightmare » 27 Dec 2013 5:49

Have you tried and/or managed to pick this lock? From my understanding the hotel locks that have keys similar in appearance to this one project IR beams to the card. The correct pattern of holes on the card will only allow the IR waves to pass through those holes. The computer will test the pattern it receives to the one defined for the room. If it is correct, the lock will open.

From the pictures and comments here it does not seem like this padlock operates in the same way. It is a very interesting lock though. I like it :)
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Re: unusual type lock

Postby torontosafecracker » 2 Jan 2014 20:21

perhaps 'boring' as in holes
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Re: unusual type lock

Postby Achyfellow » 3 Jan 2014 5:26

Allright, here is my guess from what OP has said about it.

The push button is locked by default, you need to insert the key to unlock it. Maybe when you insert the key and push metal pieces come from the sides (They can't advance unless the key is cut on the right holes), securing the key and unlocking the button. Once the key is inserted, the push button is freed and you can press it, I guess transmitting the 'push' to the unlocking mechanism through the holes.

If the key is not cut on the right places, the key can not be fully inserted and therefore you can't neither push the button or open the lock.

If this is correct this could be easily picked simply inserting something hard and pushing (Gordon, just don't).

Looking at more keys like those with different cuts would greatly help tho, this is just guesswork.
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Re: unusual type lock

Postby GWiens2001 » 3 Jan 2014 7:02

Achifaifa wrote:If this is correct this could be easily picked simply inserting something hard and pushing (Gordon, just don't).


:shock: Who??? What??? Me??? :roll: :mrgreen: :lol:

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Re: unusual type lock

Postby phoneman85 » 9 Jan 2014 22:02

Could you put a blank piece of metal in it, push the button and see if it leaves any marks? then if it does, drill where the marks are. Cool lock too!
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