unpickable locks

[rob sikate]

What types of locks have yet to be picked?

[daniel22747]

Can't think of anything other than the alboy protec.

[YouLuckyFox]

Evva MCS, to my understanding.

[Wizer]

A broken lock? A tidal lock?
Seriously, there are a several locks that have not been picked atleast on video or in front of witnesses.
I may be wrong but Abloy Exec, Sento, Sentry, Protec 2, Bodaguard, (Disclock & DLpro?). Some Kabas like experT...
Generally new locks don´t have keyway specific picks for them, and newer the lock is less pickers have spent time with it.
I believe any lock could be picked if enough time and resources were used. But for some locks I´m talking of years and thousands of cash.

[Achyfellow]

Wasn't there a tool to pick and decode abloy disc detainers like the protec? Am I imagining things?

[MBI]

Wasn't there a tool to pick and decode abloy disc detainers like the protec? Am I imagining things?

There is a place selling not a pick, but an Abloy Protec decoder. It's not a single tool, but a large kit and is about $10,000 (or euros, I forget which) and includes a 3 day course in how to use it, as it's apparently very tricky to do. The last time I checked was a few months ago, and as of that time they'd temporarily suspended sales while they tried to redesign the decoder as it proved to be too delicate to operate reliably.

[Achyfellow]

Wasn't there a tool to pick and decode abloy disc detainers like the protec? Am I imagining things?

There is a place selling not a pick, but an Abloy Protec decoder. It's not a single tool, but a large kit and is about $10,000 (or euros, I forget which) and includes a 3 day course in how to use it, as it's apparently very tricky to do. The last time I checked was a few months ago, and as of that time they'd temporarily suspended sales while they tried to redesign the decoder as it proved to be too delicate to operate reliably.

Had to google for a long time, but If my memory doesn't fail (It does constantly) it was something like this tool

http://image.ec21.com/image/hklock2/OF0 ... _picks.jpg

with a tip like this

http://www.tjweaver84.com/protecpicking.php

I'd swear I saw it at a con video or something.

(By the way I don't know if this is considered advanced stuff, am I allowed to post it?)

[MBI]

Yes, that's starting to stray into advanced areas.

No, that's not the tool. The protec decoder had many more parts and was much more delicate. The case for it was probably about the size of a laptop, there were that many components.

There is also a video of a guy who claims to have made a self impressioning tool for the Protec, but it's vague, used on a cutaway lock, shows very little detail and if I rememer right might have had some edits in it, but I'm not sure about the editing aspect. These are several points that do not seem to add to credibility, at least not on the surface. As far as I know that tool hasn't been independently verified in the several years since the video first made it's appearance. I'm not saying the tool is bogus, but if it is real I'd like to get some credible verification before I'm a believer. If it is real, then the guy deserves a lot of congratulations.

[ARF-GEF]

A protec decoder was sold on Multipick for a while. Then it got taken down. Not sure why but if they posted it as for sale originally it most likely was working.

[globallockytoo]

knock n lock cant be picked. where's the keyhole?

[GWiens2001]

Knock n lock looks pretty interesting. (Just looked it up when you mentioned it, global).

Wonder about how harsh knocks or vibrations may effect the knock sensor, either by exceeding the expected signals or by having the torque on the sensor fastener loosen. Seems like a very good concept.

Hopefully somebody does not come up with a tiny seismo that can be fastened to the door to read the codes.

Gordon

[globallockytoo]

I think it has it's purpose in a keyless world. No hardware of any kind visible to the outside, means one would not know where to begin attacking. I think it has it's place but might be a tad expensive for most folks