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Need Help Identifying A Drawer Lock

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Need Help Identifying A Drawer Lock

Postby mechanical_nightmare » 27 Oct 2013 10:23

Hello,

I have this lock on one of the drawers in my house, it looks like a warded lock but is not like the traditional furniture warded locks you see, here is a photo:

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And the key, both sides:

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I noticed that the key pushes the center part/plug of the lock inwards about 1mm or so for the lock to operate. The lock rotates clockwise to open. I tried probing this lock with straight and L-shaped wires but could not find a lever to push as with normal warded locks. What kind of lock is this? Where could I get another one so I can make tools to manipulate it, as damaging this one would require me to forcefully open the drawer.
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Re: Need Help Identifying A Drawer Lock

Postby GWiens2001 » 27 Oct 2013 10:57

Not familiar with the pictured lock. However, from the key pictures and your description of operation, suspect it is a warded lock, with the plug or part of the lock body spring loaded to lock in place when the key is in the unlock position.

The overhang on the key looks to indicate an unmoving part in the lock that the key needs to move around when you push in the key that extra millimeter or two before the key can be turned.

Keep in mind that any tools you make will need to push in whatever moving parts are inside the lock in order for them to operate.

It would likely be easy to find out exactly where the moving part is by impressioning. Just make sure that you look for impressioning marks on the front and sides of the prepared key blank.

Would also be interested in finding out specifically who made that lock. I like the key! :D

Good luck, and keep us informed!

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Re: Need Help Identifying A Drawer Lock

Postby Wizer » 27 Oct 2013 12:31

That is a very common furniture lock in these parts of world.
I have one to pervent kids from getting into drain cleaner & superglue etc.
I have never even thought of picking the lock :? , if key was lost I would have to bring one from work.
The keys are sold precut and atleast JMA & Silca make those.
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Re: Need Help Identifying A Drawer Lock

Postby ARF-GEF » 27 Oct 2013 14:27

If the keys are precut you probably won't be able to get a blank. But you could get a new key, exactly like the one with the knowledge of the key :)
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Re: Need Help Identifying A Drawer Lock

Postby GWiens2001 » 27 Oct 2013 15:03

Does not look to be too difficult a blank to make... One ward cut on one side, none on the other.

+1 to "gut it and show pictures". :mrgreen:

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Re: Need Help Identifying A Drawer Lock

Postby mechanical_nightmare » 28 Oct 2013 2:54

Unfortunately I have no experience with impressioning, though I am thinking about getting into it soon. I haven't been able to figure out much else other than the fact that there is a recess on the top of the keyway, which contracts when the key is pushed in and locks onto the key's 'overhang'. I will look at some old receipts when I get back from work today to figure out where/by who it was made, and possibly gut it and put some pictures up..
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Re: Need Help Identifying A Drawer Lock

Postby SnowyBoy » 28 Oct 2013 3:06

Those keys aren't cut... more they are smashed out of a sheet of metal in one fair swoop!
What a load of old BiLocks!!!!

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Re: Need Help Identifying A Drawer Lock

Postby Raymond » 28 Oct 2013 22:21

I have never seen one of these locks before so I admit I am guessing. Is it possible that there are no internal locking parts and that the only locking action comes from the push-to-turn action? The keys are cut to simulate a working key but are nothing more than a handle.
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Re: Need Help Identifying A Drawer Lock

Postby mechanical_nightmare » 30 Oct 2013 3:54

Pushing the lock inwards only locks the overhang into place as far as I can tell, it is not possible to rotate the lock just by pushing on it, I tried it. It also seems that it is not possible to disassemble the lock without using a destructive process. Here is Why:

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As you can see, the cam is riveted to the body of the lock. I don't really want to mess with it before I can get a replacement pin-tumbler cylinder of some sort. The best way would be to get another sample of this lock and disassemble that to make tools.

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This is the lock removed from the drawer.

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Lock with key inserted.

I will post more information about the manufacturer, country of origin and principles of operation as the info becomes available to me.
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