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European ABUS 83/80 Rock

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European ABUS 83/80 Rock

Postby GWiens2001 » 18 Nov 2013 22:37

ABUS Rock 83/80 (European version)

Got a new toy Friday direct from Germany.  (Thanks, Dicey!). An ABUS Rock 83/80.  

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That small circular part at the bottom of the lock, above the retaining plate, is a spacer and spring to keep the lock cylinder straight in the lock body.  Being the European version, it takes an oval cylinder:

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But it don't come with a lock cylinder.  Could put in in an ASSA D-12 from a friend in Finland, or an ASSA Twin, or other oval cylinders.

But instead, will put in the lock cylinder that was shipped along with the padlock...

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Pfaffenhain Y14 Deltus!  Am not planning on using this lock anytime in the near future (though it is tempting to put it on my suitcase with a camera on my next trip just to see the expressions on the TSA people :twisted: ), so not worried about showing the bitting.  Figured people here would like to see the keys.

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Back of the lock cylinder...

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The key bow

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The bitting of the keys...

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That small notch at the tip of the key is intentional - for the Deltus pin.

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What?  You want to see the keyway?   :roll:  OK, if you must... :mrgreen:

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And yes, the dimple pins are hidden above the lowest part of the key pins.  Guess that is to make access extra-interesting and fun. :-D  Have not tried to pick this lock yet, but will give it a shot soon.

There is another thread showing the pins if I remember correctly.  If I can't find it, will take it apart and show the guts of the lock cylinder later, if the is interest.

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Re: European ABUS 83/80 Rock

Postby femurat » 19 Nov 2013 4:07

Thanks for the great pictures and explanation Gordon.

The Y14 should have just passive sidepins. I think you can pick this padlock without worring about the side pins and Deltus pin IF you don't turn the plug too far. Otherwise the Deltus pin would get trapped by the last driver. It could be interesting to check if it's possible to free it with a L shaped wire, or with a pick... but check it at your own risk :twisted:

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Re: European ABUS 83/80 Rock

Postby GWiens2001 » 19 Nov 2013 5:00

That is correct, Femurat. :-D The side pins are only active in the XY14 Deltus, which is only available in a euro-profile cylinder.

Thanks for the warning about the Deltus pin. Will probably field-strip this lock before first picking it to see how everything lines up.


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Re: European ABUS 83/80 Rock

Postby fgarci03 » 19 Nov 2013 21:09

Thanks for sharing!

I would love to see the gutting of this lock. How does the Deltus pin work?
The keyway doesn't look very difficult, judging by the picks, but what's your intake on this?
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Re: European ABUS 83/80 Rock

Postby GWiens2001 » 19 Nov 2013 22:02

fgarci03 wrote:The keyway doesn't look very difficult, judging by the picks, but what's your intake on this?


It is actually pretty easy to navigate.

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Re: European ABUS 83/80 Rock

Postby fgarci03 » 19 Nov 2013 22:10

So I've seen a video on the Deltus pin. Basically a trap pin, but a very cool way to operate it!
Should be easy to overcome in case you get traped and, since the lock isn't mine, I totally advice you to try it :mrgreen:

Updates us when you pick it! 8)
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Re: European ABUS 83/80 Rock

Postby Douglas Bryant » 14 Jan 2014 6:55

fgarci03 wrote:So I've seen a video on the Deltus pin. Basically a trap pin, but a very cool way to operate it!
Should be easy to overcome in case you get traped and, since the lock isn't mine, I totally advice you to try it :mrgreen:

Updates us when you pick it! 8)
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Hi I picked it, if you turn the euro keyway to about 4 o'clock the delta pin slides partially in to the case. The delta pin has a casing and inner ball bearings. I used a small bent wire to press the ball bearing in.
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Re: European ABUS 83/80 Rock

Postby fgarci03 » 14 Jan 2014 7:39

Nice one dude!
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