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What did you pick today?

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Re: What did you pick today?

Postby fgarci03 » 14 Nov 2013 10:01

Not really ARF.. Gordon here remembers when I told him: "God, even a professional lockpicker must go through HELL AND BACK while picking these pins!"

Then I started paying attention to it and reading everything I could on them (I'm assuming we are talking about the serrated right?)

At first I thought it was by gut and trial-and-error. But I found a way to (almost) scientificaly distinguish the clicks on serrations. It's well documented out there, but I can't find it anymore :?

I'll try to put up a tutorial for serrated pins if I find the time.



The real EVIL for my are tight keyways (I'm talking about locks GORDON! Not what you think! :twisted: ). Those are really a PITA. And tolerances... God they give me headaches! I found that security pins aren't very difficult once you learn what they do and how they react to tension and picking. The problem is to find that out to start with!

My next pins to play with are trioving pins I got from Xeo. Need to repin a lock with those to find out how they work :mrgreen:
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Re: What did you pick today?

Postby Achyfellow » 14 Nov 2013 11:01

fgarci03 wrote:@Achyfellow: The kind of pins aren't that difficult once you get used to them. There is a lot of info on the forum about how to pick serrated pins. If you still have doubts let me know and I'll try to help whatever way I can!
I may get my Americans out again and make a tutorial on serrated pins if I ever get better at them.

Anyway, I see that you are in Spain, on my profile there's a link to my blog (it's in Portuguese) and I made a post about serrated pins.. Maybe it can help you a little?

The "spooled" keypins Gordon made are evil! :evil: :twisted: Once you overset a pin, there is virtually no way you can unset it without reseting the lock completely (that I know of...). So very carefull not to overset anything... Which kinda makes it confusing when dealing with serrated pins! Hahaha :mrgreen:

And for final, it's a Master Lock, so the keway was pretty roomy... Even with that pin configuration I was able to move my picks inside easily. The ahrd thing was the plug moves a little so my tension has jumped a few times :mrgreen:
These pins on a tight keway like Y1 would totaly ROCK!


No no, I've picked locks with serrated and spooled pins before (Only twice tho, I don't have constant access to a lock with those), It's just that I almost jumped on my chair when I saw that picture.
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Re: What did you pick today?

Postby fgarci03 » 14 Nov 2013 11:11

Achyfellow wrote:No no, I've picked locks with serrated and spooled pins before (Only twice tho, I don't have constant access to a lock with those), It's just that I almost jumped on my chair when I saw that picture.

Hahaha, here we've been talking for nothing :mrgreen:


Now I'm picking on a BEST (pun intended!) to get it to control, but for now I only did to operating sheerline :oops:
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Re: What did you pick today?

Postby fgarci03 » 18 Nov 2013 21:23

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Trioving pins!

First time on these. With 3 pins it's easy. With 4, the difficulty increases exponentially! But I did manage to pick it a couple times.
I got these pins and used them on my Challenge Practice lock. The original pins have the exact same diameter so they go just perfect in here.
WIll keep progressive pinning it untill 7 pins (like a real Trioving!) :mrgreen:
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Re: What did you pick today?

Postby Wizer » 23 Nov 2013 5:15

Viro, new, neat looking padlock. 70 mm. wide, 12 mm. shackle:
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An easy pick? Just 4 pins?
So I thought.
Started to pick it, and thought, Boy- am I really this bad picker. There were no binding pins at all.
Then I looked into the keyway and found an extra pin on the bottom of keyway. Set it, and the lock goes in false set. 4 spools, had to pick the extra pin a couple times.
Much harder than I expected, but only a 5-pin lock after all.
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Re: What did you pick today?

Postby mechanical_nightmare » 25 Nov 2013 6:18

I picked up this Tri-Circle dimple padlock from the hardware bazaar at Karaköy about three months ago. I picked it on the first try ever, but was unable to pick it since. Until now...

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Yesterday I decided to disassemble and study the whole mechanism and it appears the 'core' of the lock moves when you apply tension to it, because it is loosely held in the body of the padlock. Initially I mistook that for excessive play in the plug, and was further hampered by the inability of my dimple pickset to adequately enter the wards. Finally figured it out though ! :) Now I will get different dimple locks to improve my skills.

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(Core of the lock)

Overall this is a pretty good padlock, it is completely made of steel and of very sturdy construction. Not too pick resistant once you figure it out though.
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Re: What did you pick today?

Postby femurat » 25 Nov 2013 6:51

great job with the viro wizer 8)
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Re: What did you pick today?

Postby femurat » 27 Nov 2013 4:39

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Thanks to my friend kilae I had a chance to play with a keso padlock and a 10 pin chinese lock with a strange double keyway. Needless to say, I had a great time.

Cheers :)
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Re: What did you pick today?

Postby fgarci03 » 27 Nov 2013 6:28

That lock is amazing!
Does it have 2 rows of pins like BiLock?

Thanks for sharing!
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Re: What did you pick today?

Postby GWiens2001 » 27 Nov 2013 7:55

Sweet locks! Never saw a KESO padlock like that before, nor the other lock. Thanks for sharing!

Gordon
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Re: What did you pick today?

Postby femurat » 27 Nov 2013 8:07

Yes fgarci, it has 2 rows with 5 pins each. The pin space are the same, but one row starts half space further, so the pins are alternated.

Cheers :)
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Re: What did you pick today?

Postby huxleypig » 28 Nov 2013 0:50

Good work Femurat!

Nice to meet you man. I bet you're gutted dude, you picked 7 locks but didn't get through to the final!! :( :(
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Re: What did you pick today?

Postby femurat » 28 Nov 2013 3:59

Thanks huxleypig. Well it was my first meeting and my first competition, so I was not expecting too much. Nevertheless, it was an awesome experience, I'm still excited!

It was nice to meet you too :mrgreen: How is your finger nail? Still black? Man you're crazy :wink:
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Re: What did you pick today?

Postby mechanical_nightmare » 28 Nov 2013 4:25

Wow femurat, that is insane :shock: How do you guys pick these locks? What wizardry is this? :) Hats off to the elite lockpickers here...
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Re: What did you pick today?

Postby femurat » 28 Nov 2013 4:42

Thanks. No sorcery, just practice. You insert a tight fit TOK wrench, choose your favourite half diamond pick and SPP till it opens :wink:
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