High security locks

[commadore]

I have started looking at high security locks and I've noticed it kind of branches off a little. Im starting to get good with spools and want to up my game. I have been hearing names like medeco, yale, multi lock and others but then I start hearing about dimple locks and these pins within pins and its getting confusing quick.

is there anyone who can explain where I start once im done with schlages ( which im not).

[fgarci03]

I would advice you to go to American Padlocks (if you read my posts you'll see that I worship them ), because they have serrated pins and spools.

After that, I would get my hands on a Medeco and maybe a Mul-T-Lock Interactive or classic. They feature a nice pin-in-pin feature that basically is a pin that's inside another pin. You have to pick them both separately, which makes it FUN
Medeco has pins that need rotation as well as lifting, and are a very good starting point in high security locks.

That's my opinion, let's hear others'!

[ARF-GEF]

I think the entry level to high security dimples is the Mul-T-Lock 7x7, with 6 or 7 pins, all but one are spooled drivers, the longest keypin is torpedo shaped.

The amount of pins depend on the length. Sizes 35/35 and above have 7, 30 and below have 6 pins.

[mikus]

What is better to get, MTL classic or interactive? I was searching for 7x7 or mt5+ but i cant find them anywhere.

[fgarci03]

@ARF: Do you say the 7x7 is considered High-Sec?
It's kinda just a regular dimple. Yeah it's very well made, but I see it as a good lock, not so much as High-Security... What do you think?

@Mikus: I, personally, prefer the Interactive. The classic features the PIP system. But so does the Interactive, AND it has the floating element, which adds a key control feature... Can't be copied. You could make a mold of the classic with some low-temp melting metal... But not of the Interactive!
On what refers to picking they are pretty much the same (not sure if they feature different pins or security measures), because the Interactive pin acts as a regular one. You just need to lift it higher!

[phrygianradar]

What is better to get, MTL classic or interactive? I was searching for 7x7 or mt5+ but i cant find them anywhere.

I would go with the interactive if you're going to try to pick it. The MT5+ is going to be almost impossible to pick! I have messed around with my MT5+ for a little bit and I can't get it to budge but I can pick interactive and classics… The MT5+ just has so many more elements that make them high-security. Pin in pin, sliders, alpha pin… They're really tricky suckers!

[mikus]

Yep, it will be for picking only, thanks for your advice! Ill buy mtl interactive and get medeco soon (thanks to fgarci03)! I hope i will have good time picking them
Still my dream is to get evva 3ks, unfortunetly its very expensive

[spandexwarrior]

Another step up from things with standard spools or serrated pins would be the Assa 600/700 series (700 being 7-pin) or TrioVing locks. The crazy driver pins and sometimes countermilling in these locks make about as challenging of a standard pin tumbler as I've seen. They can be hard to find in the US but should be easier for you in Europe.

-Brian

[fgarci03]

Holy!

Trioving pins are an absolute nightmare! I managed to pick a lock with 5 of those (not an actual trioving) and they are indeed something!
@Mikus, you have made pins like those before:


Yours' had a serration in the middle, but trust me. It's not necessary to make them evil!

Nice thought spandexwarrior!

[mikus]

I thought serration in the middle will make them monstrous (it is tough pin) will make six with serrations and six without and see whats harder

[GWiens2001]

They refer to those TrioVing driver pins as trampoline pins. Mostly because you have to keep bouncing back and forth between pins. Setting one pin drops the others.

They are not picker-friendly locks!

fgarci -



Try it with seven pins. It will have you cussing in languages you never knew you spoke!



Gordon

[fgarci03]

I thought serration in the middle will make them monstrous (it is tough pin) will make six with serrations and six without and see whats harder

The serration will naturally make it more difficult. But my point was that it was a nightmare even without them

@Gordon: Thank you for ruining my day with those pictures!

[mikus]

So you dont want them becouse you are afraid?

[fgarci03]

So you dont want them becouse you are afraid?

Hahaha! The only think I'm afraid of is my mum when she snaps at me

I just thought it would be redundant for you to make such pins when I have actual Trioving Pins... But hey, they SOUND LIKE FUN!

[ARF-GEF]

I would go for interactive unless you are specifically worried about picking, and picking only. Then go for classic.

ARF: Do you say the 7x7 is considered High-Sec?
It's kinda just a regular dimple. Yeah it's very well made, but I see it as a good lock, not so much as High-Security... What do you think?

I think you are right and I have to rescind my label of "entry lever hi-sec". I agree, it's not a bad lock, but not in the same category as MT5+. My thinking went if we look at the locks all the way from cheapest Chinese things, up to EVVA MCS and Abloys the 7x7 belongs more to the border of hi-sec.
But I've been thinking about it and I see your point. I would say the 7x7 is not hi-sec, but just a "security lock".

Phyringe, you can pick an MT5+, I can't, but I know a guy who can. You can also bypass and knock out the slider's sidebar. (Not gonna go into details in the open ) After that it's basically pretty much and interactive plus though the alpha spring is a bit trickier.

@Gordon: Thank you for ruining my day with those pictures!

Haha FG, don't worry we all know Gordon guts those locks with the key and takes a pic of the empty lock...
Just kidding of course, nice work there my friend!

The only think I'm afraid of is my mum when she snaps at me

Hahaha, FG, me too
I'm afraid of your mum when she snaps at me as well