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How can a see inside safe with a borescope and smartphone

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How can a see inside safe with a borescope and smartphone

Postby heehee62 » 21 Jul 2013 12:17

My dad is a locksmith. He wants to be able to see what a borescope camera sees inside a safe on a smartphone/tablet.

How can he do this? Can he do this with all the following devices - iphone, ipad, android phone/tablet, and windows RT tablet? If so with what programs?

My dad is not very computer savvy so I'd like to give him a chance to test a bunch of OSes before picking one. I'm trying to avoid a full windows pc laptop as that would be more expensive (or heavier).

Thanks.
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Re: How can a see inside safe with a borescope and smartphon

Postby GWiens2001 » 21 Jul 2013 14:07

Can't really discuss how to see into a safe on the public forums.

As for a borescope that can be used with a smartphone, you would have to look at various borescopes and what compatibility they have. As I am not a safe tech (not even close to one!) I am unfamiliar with various borescopes except for ones I use working on cars. The decent ones for cars have an LCD screen on them and can save screen shots, but they are just too pricy for me to even consider purchasing. Also, why add additional hardware (phone) to use one?

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Re: How can a see inside safe with a borescope and smartphon

Postby l0ckcr4ck3r » 21 Jul 2013 14:16

AFAIK you can forget about the iOS devices... even jail broken ones. They dont support Optical USB devices.

Android devices support External USB cameras so you should have no issue there and its the most Flexible OS for mobile devices. The only problem i see is mating the USB camera to the Borescope. You will need to get it lined up in the center at the precise focal length. It would be a nice machining project but very hard as a home brew. Do some research on the Borescope he currently has, maybe they do an add-on camera already. Otherwise you may have to bite the bullet and buy a new one.

As long as the Camera has/is one of the following, you'll get it working on Android

1 Has Android Drivers
2 Is TWAIN compliant
3 Is UVC compliant

Let us know how you get on!
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Re: How can a see inside safe with a borescope and smartphon

Postby YouLuckyFox » 21 Jul 2013 14:40

@iOS devices:
Check out Scope Monkey (for microscope and other optics) also iBorescope (completely for borescope). They are neat, they send the video to the iPhone in different ways. The Android devices would be much easier to set up than iBorescope or Scope Monkey (not sure if you'd have much luck fitting the Scope Monkey on a borescope, either.)

http://www.testequipmentdepot.com/general/borescope/dcis1.htm
$299, though. I know nothing about these from first hand experience, just from what I've seen on the videos and websites.
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Re: How can a see inside safe with a borescope and smartphon

Postby 2octops » 22 Jul 2013 0:35

GWiens2001 wrote: Also, why add additional hardware (phone) to use one?


Scopes used by most safe tech's are much smaller in diameter than the ones used for cars. They are also much, much more expensive for a good one.
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Re: How can a see inside safe with a borescope and smartphon

Postby heehee62 » 23 Jul 2013 0:34

GWiens2001 wrote: Also, why add additional hardware (phone) to use one?


I think my dad wanted a larger screen cause his eyes aren't as good anymore. He was actually asking for a laptop (bigger screen) but I didn't understand that borescopes have lcd screens the size of smartphones. I thought smartphone would be better since he already uses one anyway.

Will have to ask him what his needs are again.

Thanks guys. I think I got what I needed. Will get android tablet for him if that's what he's wanting.
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Re: How can a see inside safe with a borescope and smartphon

Postby LockDocWa » 2 Aug 2013 9:57

Google " USB Endoscope " these can be attached to any device that supports USB
Best part? They are truly inexpensive. Like $30.00 delivered. And they work.
Just be prepared for relatively low resolution at that price, 640 X 480
Make sure you get one with a stiff cable. The last thing you want is
an uncontrollable camera.
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Re: How can a see inside safe with a borescope and smartphon

Postby john5 » 16 Aug 2013 17:59

Search online and see.
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Re: How can a see inside safe with a borescope and smartphon

Postby Rewt254 » 21 Aug 2013 2:50

LockDocWa wrote:Google " USB Endoscope " these can be attached to any device that supports USB
Best part? They are truly inexpensive. Like $30.00 delivered. And they work.
Just be prepared for relatively low resolution at that price, 640 X 480
Make sure you get one with a stiff cable. The last thing you want is
an uncontrollable camera.


Are these cheap endoscopes really usable for safes? I'm really suspicious about buying a 30$ scope and realizing it actually works :D Have you ever used one to see inside safe?
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Re: How can a see inside safe with a borescope and smartphon

Postby LockDocWa » 22 Aug 2013 21:20

Here are some photos using a CHEAP endoscope.
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Re: How can a see inside safe with a borescope and smartphon

Postby taylorgdl » 22 Sep 2013 7:40

But how big a hole do you have to drill for these cheap scopes?

Check the head diameter, it is often around 10mm

Smaller head = more expensive

For example, this switch view video scope is over £1000, but 4.9mm dia
It's all about the tension . . .
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Re: How can a see inside safe with a borescope and smartphon

Postby Quickpicknpay » 9 Oct 2013 23:19

Rewt254 wrote:
LockDocWa wrote:Google " USB Endoscope " these can be attached to any device that supports USB
Best part? They are truly inexpensive. Like $30.00 delivered. And they work.
Just be prepared for relatively low resolution at that price, 640 X 480
Make sure you get one with a stiff cable. The last thing you want is
an uncontrollable camera.


Are these cheap endoscopes really usable for safes? I'm really suspicious about buying a 30$ scope and realizing it actually works :D Have you ever used one to see inside safe?


I have opened a couple of safes with a $30 USB scope connected to a laptop and it worked quite well for me. 640x480 resolution is good enough to do the job quickly and easily, looking rather professional to the customer at the same time. I was quite impressed with it. I have since purchased a much more expensive one (about $280AU) with its own lcd screen and 6mm diameter scope but have yet to use it on a safe. Resolution is much better, no need to carry a laptop that will usually have a flat battery when you need it most and it's also waterproof for those popular underwater jobs. It depends on your budget but if your dad wants a cheap option to go with his laptop you can't go past the $30 version for value for bucks.
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Re: How can a see inside safe with a borescope and smartphon

Postby Ortin468 » 1 Dec 2013 15:17

You really do not need great resolution, since you will be pretty close to your work. Lighting can be more of an issue.
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Re: How can a see inside safe with a borescope and smartphon

Postby Quickpicknpay » 3 Dec 2013 4:39

both the cheap and the more pricey ones have a built in light and both work well.
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Re: How can a see inside safe with a borescope and smartphon

Postby mechanical_nightmare » 17 Dec 2013 4:40

Quickpicknpay wrote:Resolution is much better, no need to carry a laptop that will usually have a flat battery when you need it most and it's also waterproof for those popular underwater jobs.


Underwater jobs? What do you mean by that, is it a joke? Do safe technicians actually have to open safes that are under water? I thought that was only in the Italian Job... Please do answer, I am intrigued :)
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