Sargent lock

[hotfudgesunday]

Hey all,

i was wondering what i would need to do to open a sargent lock. i think its a deadbolt, but there is a latch that goes with it that is keyed exactly the same. it's in the shape of an 8, and it has 6 pins in it (at least according to the key). i've tried working at it for a little, but can't get it. any advise?

[Varjeal]

The lock you are describing is an interchangeable core lock, meaning that the core can be removed (via a special key) while leaving the latching mechanism installed in the door.

This type of lock is generally used in larger institutional areas such as universities/colleges, hospitals, and larger companies.

Judging only from your posting, I would suggest that you NOT try to "work at it a little" since this is most likely NOT your lock (again, just a presumption). Your demeanor and "tone" denote you as new to the sport, and these definitely are not locks you will likely have success with as a beginner. I would suggest instead on a visit to a local hardware store or junkyard to find locks not currently in use to practice on.

Not only is this less suspicious, but should you somehow break something off inside or otherwise damage it, there would be no harm done.

All that said, standard pick tools and a vast amount of patience and experience will guide you in what needs to be done.

[hotfudgesunday]

thanks for the response, varjeal. i have picked a few kwiksets, i have a set of southord picks. i am still relatively new. i got these locks at a university auction (where they sell off all the old stuff they don't want anymore) i got 4 locking sets (deadbolt and deadlatch) for $50, so i figured i couold play around with them a lttle. i guess there a little above my pay grade, tho, eh?

what would you suggest as a step up from a kwikset?

[Varjeal]

For a step up from Kwikcrap, take a look at better grades of Schlage entrance sets or deadbolts (Grade 2 or Grade 1). You may also want to try some padlocks of various varietys such as Master (laminated series). These will provide an intermediate step before you tackle that monster of an I/C.

[hotfudgesunday]

i just looked up some stuff on interchangable core locks, they're a pretty spif idea! i guess the university didnt give me a 'control' key, because i only have the keys to unlock the locks. i guess that makes sense tho, it would be bad for someone to go pulling out the cores of every lock on campus lol!

one other question - how would you install this thing in a door? its like a big metal box. all the kwiksets i have were just deadbolts.

[logosys]

i just looked up some stuff on interchangable core locks, they're a pretty spif idea! i guess the university didnt give me a 'control' key, because i only have the keys to unlock the locks. i guess that makes sense tho, it would be bad for someone to go pulling out the cores of every lock on campus lol!

one other question - how would you install this thing in a door? its like a big metal box. all the kwiksets i have were just deadbolts.

It's what's called a Mortise (or Mortice) setting. It involves a square extrusion removed from the door, rather than just a hole drilled out. They are generally more protected from kick in attacks than a normal doorlock. You got four (4) complete locksets (deadbolt, latch and cylinders) for fifty (50) dollars? That's a freakin steal! What University do you go to? Furthermore, does anyone know when A&M will be having one of these auctions?

[32768]

You could try taking them to the university locksmith and asking her to pull the cores for you. If they're stamped with an id number then it should be straightforward for them to find out what key they should use. Frankly, I'm surprised they would sell old cores, but that's their business / problem.
They might just tell you to go away, but it's worth a try. And if you can get in good with them they may have other goodies they're tossing.

[Hak]

Kwikcrap

Thats genius

Anyone seen the Television commercials for Kwikset locks? They say they have '"anti-pick engineering" and that they are "made to perfection", they also call them "the world's finest locks"

I know this commercial is in the United States, and im pretty sure they show this elsewhere in the world...but correct me if im wrong

[thertel]

Yea, I agree with you logosys, I want to know when UT is gonna sell old door hardware. I know for a fact UT Austin doesn't sell the cores at its surplus property auctions, but you can get old hardware. I'm cruising tamu at the moment wondering if they have surplus property auctions and when. I know you can get Argon gas lasers at UT during the week before spring break when professors put unwanted equipment in the hallways in a giant free for all. I tried to get a argon gas laser last year but I didn't have anytihng big enough to move it back to my apartment, much less a pallet jack to get it to the loading dock. But oh the fun I could have had! Speaking of which its almost time for the fall cleanout of old equipment.

Thomas

[Varjeal]

Anyone seen the Television commercials for Kwikset locks? They say they have '"anti-pick engineering" and that they are "made to perfection", they also call them "the world's finest locks"

Allow me to interpret those lines into standard normal-speak.

1. "anti-pick engineering"- means someone thought it would be a good idea to have more than one pin in a lock.

2. "made to perfection" means that at least 75% will last more than a week under normal operating conditions. Also means mean the the blind and deaf guy that does the quality control figures the lock will work.

3. "the world's finest locks" line is missing the fine print "exisiting in our manufacturing facility.

So yeah, hope that helps.

[Hak]

Also means mean the the blind and deaf guy that does the quality control figures the lock will work.

Makes sense