It seems to have the same jaws as the one you showed, and it is less expensive.
I found it to be very solid, and it sucks...suctions...whatever the appropriate verb is to the surfaces on which I place it.
Thanks.I looked at that one,but a few people said it didn't stay "sucked" for very long.Now I know there will be people who give terrible feedback to most anything you are looking to buy,but you say yours does a good job? I want to use one to hold a core for repining,and to hold a lock for picking. I do my impressioning with a table mount in my basement work shop,so it wouldn't have to stand up to a lot of shifting around or side to side pressure. Oh,and in your video,are you using a L rake to pick with?
DennisK wrote:Thanks.I looked at that one,but a few people said it didn't stay "sucked" for very long.Now I know there will be people who give terrible feedback to most anything you are looking to buy,but you say yours does a good job?
The first vise I got, which is not in any video, didn't stick to anything. It had a triangle base.
But when I got this one, it sticks to everything just by putting it down, and when it is locked, it is impossible to move. I do this on my regular computer desk and my typewriter desk (typewriter desk is metal and is what I usually make my videos on, although, I put drawer liner on it so it isn't so loud for typing and typewriters without rubber feet don't slide when the carriage is returned).
However, I am not sure how much variation in quality there is. I could pick my desk up with this vise's suction cup.
I want to use one to hold a core for repining,and to hold a lock for picking. I do my impressioning with a table mount in my basement work shop,so it wouldn't have to stand up to a lot of shifting around or side to side pressure. Oh,and in your video,are you using a L rake to pick with?
The one I have is mostly metal, so it is heavier than the usual hobby vise I saw, and steady even without the suction cup for most applications.
In the video, I am using an L rake, which is not something I use often, but I found it manipulates wafer locks very well. It can be used for manipulating single wafers too, if they are spaced widely enough. The SmartKey requires a different technique for picking; it is not a regular wafer or pin tumbler lock.
DennisK wrote:Thanks.I looked at that one,but a few people said it didn't stay "sucked" for very long.Now I know there will be people who give terrible feedback to most anything you are looking to buy,but you say yours does a good job?
The first vise I got, which is not in any video, didn't stick to anything. It had a triangle base.
But when I got this one, it sticks to everything just by putting it down, and when it is locked, it is impossible to move. I do this on my regular computer desk and my typewriter desk (typewriter desk is metal and is what I usually make my videos on, although, I put drawer liner on it so it isn't so loud for typing and typewriters without rubber feet don't slide when the carriage is returned).
However, I am not sure how much variation in quality there is. I could pick my desk up with this vise's suction cup.
I want to use one to hold a core for repining,and to hold a lock for picking. I do my impressioning with a table mount in my basement work shop,so it wouldn't have to stand up to a lot of shifting around or side to side pressure. Oh,and in your video,are you using a L rake to pick with?
The one I have is mostly metal, so it is heavier than the usual hobby vise I saw, and steady even without the suction cup for most applications.
In the video, I am using an L rake, which is not something I use often, but I found it manipulates wafer locks very well. It can be used for manipulating single wafers too, if they are spaced widely enough. The SmartKey requires a different technique for picking; it is not a regular wafer or pin tumbler lock.
Ok thanks for that review.Some people who write reviews for products on Amazon must not have the brains to operate the things they buy...you know,like not being smart enough to pour piss out of a boot with the directions written on the heel?
DennisK wrote:Ok thanks for that review.Some people who write reviews for products on Amazon must not have the brains to operate the things they buy...you know,like not being smart enough to pour piss out of a boot with the directions written on the heel?
Things I've learned about reading reviews is that:
* There will always be failures. With enough reviewers, there will be some bad products, either damaged or defective. Look for return policies (Amazon is really good about that). * There will be people who review their expectations, not the product. It would be very easy for people to buy the wrong vise for their purposes. * There are those who are a "special case", but pretend they are normal. For example, someone who is abnormally heavy, short, tall, weak, etc pretending like their experience will be average in any given situation. When reviewing, it is important to present one's perspective. The nut to loosen the swivel is tight...it should be tight. Yes, it takes more force to loosen than to tighten, and that is a good thing.
I have a Wisent brand vise. In the beginning the suction was quite powerful and lasted long. However with time, and impressioning/manual key filing, a lot of brass dust has stuck to the bottom and I think that is why it now works itself loose pretty easily. Occasionally when picking it becomes loose and I have to put the pick down, increase tension, re-set the vise and continue. That is one thing to keep in mind; to do dirty/heavy work on a vise bolted to the bench. That is exactly what I will be getting next, along with a sturdy bench.
If you do not manipulate the lock, then the lock will manipulate you
I just purchased this PanaVise 381 and I'm really really happy with it
At $68 it's more than a lot of it's competitors, however I'm willing to spend a little extra for something that actually does what you want it to do, and does it well.
This vise won't move once you suction it to a surface. All the fittings are solid and it takes a lot of pressure to move the ball joint once it's secured. If you do manage to move it, you're probably not using the right tool for the job. It's also got some weight to it which means that if don't have a surface that's smooth enough, it's not going to move around all over the place.
It's also nice that these are interchangeable with a number of different bases and jaws etc should your needs change further down the line.
teamstarlet wrote:I just purchased this PanaVise 381 and I'm really really happy with it
At $68 it's more than a lot of it's competitors, however I'm willing to spend a little extra for something that actually does what you want it to do, and does it well.
This vise won't move once you suction it to a surface. All the fittings are solid and it takes a lot of pressure to move the ball joint once it's secured. If you do manage to move it, you're probably not using the right tool for the job. It's also got some weight to it which means that if don't have a surface that's smooth enough, it's not going to move around all over the place.
It's also nice that these are interchangeable with a number of different bases and jaws etc should your needs change further down the line.
Would highly recommend!!!
Thanks for that,but I bought the Beesey that Herr recommended.Works good and is cheaper than the others I looked at.
Bit late for you Dennis but if others look this thread up it may help….
My desk/workbench is a "Pick-N-Mix" from Ikea. Solid Beech top and some el cheap legs so a vacuum vice does work. I ended up with one these clamp vices and its worked out great!
It seems to have the same jaws as the one you showed, and it is less expensive.
I found it to be very solid, and it sucks...suctions...whatever the appropriate verb is to the surfaces on which I place it.
Thanks.I looked at that one,but a few people said it didn't stay "sucked" for very long.Now I know there will be people who give terrible feedback to most anything you are looking to buy,but you say yours does a good job? I want to use one to hold a core for repining,and to hold a lock for picking. I do my impressioning with a table mount in my basement work shop,so it wouldn't have to stand up to a lot of shifting around or side to side pressure. Oh,and in your video,are you using a L rake to pick with?
If you look closely, both use the same suction mechanism. Mine does too. It stays for around 15 minutes, then you have to re-suction it (I assume within an extremely clean environment it will last more). Not a single suction vise is going to last forever.
I'd go with the standard $15 ones from the hardware store. Works like a charm and I doubt there is much difference with the expensive ones.
Achyfellow wrote: I'd go with the standard $15 ones from the hardware store. Works like a charm and I doubt there is much difference with the expensive ones.
I'm with Achyfellow, this is my Harbor Freight vice, I made a little video long time ago showing how well it works. Having friends in the TV production business, I am aware how awesome (and pricey) Panavise products are. =)
