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Schlage D-Series vs Arrow Knob Comparison (With Pics)

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Schlage D-Series vs Arrow Knob Comparison (With Pics)

Postby Scajaquada87 » 30 Jan 2014 8:27

Greetings!

Recently I purchased two different knob sets at an architectural salvage store. After searching the internet for service manuals I was able to ascertain that one knob is a Schlage D70PD classroom function knob. The other knob took me a little longer to identify, but after searching this site, I determined that it is an Arrow M-Series knob with an entrance/office function. The Arrow knob came with a Corbin core and a Sargent deadlatch, which threw me off, as I initially began searching for images and literature for the Corbin Russwin CK4200 and Sargent 6-line knobs, but the knobs depicted did not match the one I had. Also, due to the Corbin core being different from the standard Arrow core, I had to grind down one side of the tailpiece with my Dremel tool in order for the outside knob to slide on completely.

First let's compare knob removal. To remove the exterior knob on the Arrow the knob must be unlocked. It must then be rotated approximately 45 degrees clockwise, aligning the spring-loaded catch with the poke hole. From there, insert a small screwdriver and press down while pulling the knob off.

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By contrast to remove the outside knob from the Schlage the key must be inserted and rotated 90 degrees in either direction. From there, insert a small screwdriver and press down on the spring-loaded catch while pulling the knob off.

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On both locksets the inside handle can be removed by simply pressing a spring-loaded catch (located on the latch-side of the knob) with a screwdriver and pulling the knob off.

I fail to see how Arrow's twist-to-remove handle design could accommodate a storeroom function lockset, being that the outside handle is always locked. This would lead me to believe that the Schlage D-Series has a wider range of functions than the Arrow.

Next is the matter of adjusting for door thickness. On both knobs the outside rose threads on in order to accommodate doors of varying thicknesses. However on the Schlage the common door thicknesses are marked out. Also, the outside rose will catch every 1/2 turn preventing the likelihood of the rose spinning while installing the lockset. The markings are then aligned with the chassis cover (not pictured below)

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As for securing the chassis both locksets utilize four tabs, all if which penetrate the chassis cover. On the Arrow, two of these tabs are twisted using pliers. On the Schlage one of these tabs has a hole in it. A cotter pin is then inserted through the hole.

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Also, for your viewing pleasure I have photographed the insides of both locksets. The Schlage shows just the chassis sans cover (as it is fairly simple) while the Arrow shows all the parts.

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That's all for now. If anyone has any questions about either of these locksets I would be happy to answer them to the best of my knowledge.
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Re: Schlage D-Series vs Arrow Knob Comparison (With Pics)

Postby LockDocWa » 30 Jan 2014 9:42

Scajaquada87, it sounds like you prefer the Original Schlage
to the knock-off Arrow. Durability and longevity belong to the Schlage.
If you are looking instead for cost effectiveness go Arrow.

I have been to customers homes which had Schlage entry sets installed 50 years ago.
All they needed was to be rekeyed and lubricated, and they are set for another 50 years.

Lets' see any Arrow meet/beat that.
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Re: Schlage D-Series vs Arrow Knob Comparison (With Pics)

Postby cledry » 1 Feb 2014 13:40

You are comparing a grade 2 knob, that you think is an Arrow but is probably not since it is missing the inside wire clip that goes through the tabs, it might be a Sargent 6 Line to a grade 1 Schlage. The 6 Line should be compared to a a Schlage A line. The Sargent 10 line would be the grade 1 model.
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Re: Schlage D-Series vs Arrow Knob Comparison (With Pics)

Postby cledry » 1 Feb 2014 13:42

You can get a storeroom function in either the Sargent or Arrow knob as well.
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Re: Schlage D-Series vs Arrow Knob Comparison (With Pics)

Postby Scajaquada87 » 1 Feb 2014 17:45

Thank you both for the replies.

@ LockDocWa: What type of lubricant would you recommend? When I disassembled the Schlage the slide, spindles and other internals were coated in a what appeared to be a green colored grease. While it appears adequately lubricated now, I am curious as to what lubricant I could use.

@ cledry: I will have to do some more research. The knob in this thread looks almost identical to mine (except for the "Made in Taiwan" text): viewtopic.php?f=9&t=46674&hilit=help+me+identify+this+doorknob I'll have to track down a different used grade 2 or grade 1 knob to make for a fair comparison...I'll keep my eyes open for a Schlage a-series next time
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Re: Schlage D-Series vs Arrow Knob Comparison (With Pics)

Postby cledry » 1 Feb 2014 22:18

Scajaquada87 wrote:Thank you both for the replies.

@ LockDocWa: What type of lubricant would you recommend? When I disassembled the Schlage the slide, spindles and other internals were coated in a what appeared to be a green colored grease. While it appears adequately lubricated now, I am curious as to what lubricant I could use.

@ cledry: I will have to do some more research. The knob in this thread looks almost identical to mine (except for the "Made in Taiwan" text): viewtopic.php?f=9&t=46674&hilit=help+me+identify+this+doorknob I'll have to track down a different used grade 2 or grade 1 knob to make for a fair comparison...I'll keep my eyes open for a Schlage a-series next time


For lubricant we use Lubriplate.

Arrow uses a bent piece of wire as a retainer for the tabs instead of the cotter pins that Schlage uses. There will be a hole drilled through the tabs and the wire goes through two diagonally opposing tabs. There are many locks that look similar and are made overseas, such as General, LSDA, US Lock, Cal Royal. However since you mentioned the need to turn the knob it made me think Sargent 6 Line, the older ones required you turn the knob to reach the retainer.
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Re: Schlage D-Series vs Arrow Knob Comparison (With Pics)

Postby LockDocWa » 3 Feb 2014 21:17

I don't know what your green lube is.
I have used TriFlow for general lubrication for nearly 30 years.
It has always worked well for me.
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Re: Schlage D-Series vs Arrow Knob Comparison (With Pics)

Postby cledry » 4 Feb 2014 18:45

The green lube is what Schlage used to use in all of their locks. Lubriplate is @ equal.
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