combination safe lock manipulation (old locked safe)

[GWiens2001]

The tilt of the dial you described.

Gordon

[zandan]

GWiens2001
"The tilt of the dial you describe." Perhaps a better
way to describe the tilt is that it is like a
'fish-mouth ' that opens up between the 50
and 0 as the dial is turned either left or right.
The tilt just slightly bulges out approx 1/8
inch or a little less as the dial comes around between
0 and 50 at the index mark and as the numbers
pass the index mark the tilt goes away when
moving left or right when either the 0 or 50
is reached as the ending number, depending on which way the dial
is turning-either left or right. As an ending number,
I don't necessarily mean a number I'm trying
in the combination, a bulge/fish-mouth, just occurs
between 0 and 50, only between 0 and 50
at the 12 o'clock index mark as the dial is turned.
The tilt is also gradual. It doesn't just jump out.
The tilt begins at either the 0 or 50(depending
on which way the dial is being turned) and gradually
appears and then disappears from beginning to
the end of either the run from 0 to 50 or the run
of numbers 50 to 0.

[Squelchtone]

I think you're focusing on the wrong details here man, tilt of a dial? I can't see that helping/hurting with manipulation. Nor is it telling you any of the combination numbers in case that's what you may be hoping for. What you want to feel for is friction and measure on the dial when that friction occurs around the contact point. sometimes at 7 sometimes at 7.2 sometimes at 7 and a half.. or maybe not at all, or maybe at 10.. it will vary as you map the wheelpack, but don't focus on some tilting or if the safe is jacked up or at an angle, this will not help here. I think what you're saying is that the dial sticks out from the dial ring at certain locations.. this could be a dial ring that needs a hit or two from a mallet, or it could be a bent spindle which will cause the dial to turn with a wobble. I'm no expert safe technician, but those are things I have read and watched in videos as being causes for dials to not be flush in the dial ring.

You may find it more productive if you guys jump into chat and talk in real time on some of these replies, and maybe put up a youtube video of you turning the dial so we can see what you mean, and check if it is really a cause of concern or a non issue.

LP101 IRC Web Chat: http://www.slashnet.org/webclient/lp101


Squelchtone

[zandan]

Thank you Squelchtone for the advise
You gave me at web address of
http://www.slashnet.org/webclient/lp101

Is this where I would make a video of what
I'm talking about or is it just a website
for chat or both?
I'm not too clear what this website is about.
I'd like to make a youtube vid of the dialing
with the tilt. Please clarify this if you would please.
tx, zandan

[Squelchtone]

Thank you Squelchtone for the advise
You gave me at web address of
http://www.slashnet.org/webclient/lp101

Is this where I would make a video of what
I'm talking about or is it just a website
for chat or both?
I'm not too clear what this website is about.
I'd like to make a youtube vid of the dialing
with the tilt. Please clarify this if you would please.
tx, zandan

That link is where you can chat with me and Gordon, if he also comes to chat. the video; we'll figure that out in chat, youtube is probably easiest place to upload it to if your phone allows for that sort of thing.

[zandan]

Mr. Squelchtone
I'm on the chat room. Don't know if I have everything
set up correctly. There is one 'idler' called lockpicker.
I clicked on it and it took me somewhere else.

Anyway I believe I'm checked in ok as the chat bar is
active below my user id along with some other things
I don't understand right above the chat bar.

So let me know if I'm good to go here or not?

Tx for your help, zandan

[zandan]

Mr. Squelchtone,
got your chat message so
I guess everything I did
set it up all right.
I tried to send you a PM but
somehow I don't think it went.
Have to figure out PMS better.
I guess we'll talk/chat tonight
and maybe Gordon too.

Till then, tx again, zandan

[GWiens2001]

Was wondering about a bent spindle. But with the raised area not moving, don't think that is the issue. Keep in mind that I am not a safe technician, either. Squelchtone is giving you some really good advice.

Gordon

[zandan]

Well everybody, that heat gun really
worked!

The indications became more true
and as far as a contact point is concerned
I'm reading at, of all things cause I know
some of you will say no, is at 2.0 and
not a 7, 7 1/2, etc. or an 8 or 8 1/2 etc.

The lubricant inside the lock is really
gunky and now the CP always reads at
2.0 with the heating up of the dial, etc.

I know some of you will object to this
CP but this is currently what I'm using
to map the wheels

Thanks again for the heads up on the
heat gun, zeke,gordon & squelch...

I give you a progress report as things
develop.

If you have anything to say about
this new CP, please advise. Nothing
amazes me about this yale oc5.

zandan

[zandan]

Mapping the wheels on this is something else.
Whereas the indications were good, now
all of a sudden they've 'silenced up.'

I think it was squelch who said in one posting
that sometimes on a yale oc5 that this would
happen, especially with the contact point
and there would be no indication of it at all.
Then some days it would read fine.

Maybe I'll have to give the manipulation of the
lock a rest and come back to it later. Maybe
the friction of the manipulation has created
some type of heat sink that smooths out
the sounds/feels of the indications.

I sure thought I was on my way with the heat
treatment of the dial with the heat gun,
who knows will have to try later.

[zandan]

Well, second day and there
are no indications on the dialing
of the yale lock. Hope something
didn't go wrong with the lock.
This is now a real quiet lock.
I guess I have to let it rest
a while until I try to manipulate
it again

[zandan]

Oh Squelchtone
I am heating up the dial/spline
again and the indications are picking
up again.

Contact point is still at 2.0 but it's
reading again. In mapping the wheels
I'm starting to get good indications
around the 20 more than anywhere else.
This of course fits with the combo
I believed to with numbers 10 20 30.

We'll see what happens,

[GWiens2001]

It is good to see your persistence. That, more than anything, will help you get this open.

Gordon

[Squelchtone]

Oh Squelchtone
I am heating up the dial/spline
again and the indications are picking
up again.

Contact point is still at 2.0 but it's
reading again. In mapping the wheels
I'm starting to get good indications
around the 20 more than anywhere else.
This of course fits with the combo
I believed to with numbers 10 20 30.

We'll see what happens,

that's great! so now, try parking wheel 2 on 20 and graph 1 and 3 together (yes, it's gonna be a lot of dialing) and then see if 1 or 3 show up anything good at 10 or 30. You could also park wheel 1 and 3 on 20 just to see if maybe it was 10-30-20 not 10-20-30, the memory has a funny way of making numbers change places after not using something like a safe combination for a while.

keep up the effort!
Squelchtone

[zandan]

Mr. Squelchtone,
You are so right about numbers changing.
My indications have picked up more in the
mid 30 range to the late 40 range.

I'm working it as I can but you may be
absolutely correct. What I remembered
about the combination with 10 20 30,
may have changed substantially or even
slightly enough over time to make more
of a chore of this than I previously thought.

Well, anyway, the 20 looks like it's going
to be valid but with more mapping as
per your last posts because you just may
be right--something may have changed
from what the numbers were originally.

Thanks again, I'll keep at it