Abus 165/30

by **septic** » 14 Jul 2004 16:18

I'm having some difficulties in opening this Disc combination padlock. I once read something about opening locks like these but ive already forgotten where i read it.
What ive come up with myself is this:
Every dial hase some sort of pattern that differs when you apply tension or turn another dial according to the one your turning (!). With this patterns i can somehow "sense" where the breakpoint is on the lock but it always differs.
Also ive noticed that tension is brought upon only one dial at a time. On my lock it starts with the middle dial so i never fail to find the exact correct number that it needs. The other two... well that's the problem. Tension differs and sometimes the upper dial has tension... sometimes the lower dial has tension... sometimes both... i don't get it. When only one has tension i can feel where the right number is in a pattern that is divided by two's, like this: 1=easy 2=hard 3=easy 4=hard etc... all the way up to 0 and then back to one (Easy/hard is how it is to turn the dial when coming to that point).

If anyone understands my gibberish please explain how this lock is built, if no one does, could you please refer me to a guide (or explain yourself) how these types locks can be unlocked?

Btw i have managed three times to unlock it (without knowing the code) i'm not sure how i did it but i managed to... luck?

by **septic** » 14 Jul 2004 18:11

Haha! ignore the question, i just realised how to do it! There is no better feeling!

by **Guitar_J** » 14 Jul 2004 18:40

well... Share your discovery... I know where to drill to find the numbers.. and I know that on some you can look beside the wheels and see a flat spot.. etc... what did you come up with?

by **septic** » 14 Jul 2004 19:15

This might sound strange, i'm not even sure that it works on other locks but here it goes:
I wiggle the middle dial into position, depending on what the final combination will be ive "learned" what pattern it should be in. Therefore i mostly always land the middle one into the right position. During this i always have little tension sort of "drawing" the "loop" upwards.
When i get the middle dial into position i then go to the lower dial, this one always has a constant pattern that i know so well so i can draw it out here, ex. 1=Semi-Hard, 2=hard 3=Easy, 4=Hard 5=Easy, 6=hard 7=Easy, 8=Hard 9=Easy, 0=Easy. When i feel im going over to the hard bit trough the Semi-Hard one, i just go back to the easy one. In this case 0 is the "unlocking" number (i know no better way of explaining this).
The last number is just to jiggle out, 10 diferent combinations isn't really that much

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This has worked every time i tried it now, but i really haave to whatch out cause sometimes the dials affect eachother.
Iv'e spent 4 days now just feeling this lock, and my hands are quite soared.

I would really like to know what it looks like on the inside if someone's got pictures? I'm also gonna try and get a hold of another copy of this lock, see if the same thing works.

by **septic** » 14 Jul 2004 19:19

Some of my ways to do this was to ask others make a combination for me, also to have the combination as 0-0-0 and feel very easy how the dials are affected.

by **septic** » 14 Jul 2004 19:24

This is the first time i have ever "picked" a lock with my bare hands! this is just...

by **figo** » 22 Oct 2004 6:46

well, could someone please post or tell where to find pictures of this kind of lock disassembled? i have been searching now for some time and still found nothing...

do they work some way similar to the other combination locks like on the safe doors? for those i can easily find pictures and how-they-work explanations...

by **figo** » 22 Oct 2004 10:45

In most cases, search is the answer. I have already found what i was looking for, and i think septic may also like this, although ther are no photographs, this site contains some simple but enlightening diagrams as well as some clear explanations on how this locks work:

http://www.wilton.force9.co.uk/lock/mechanism4.htm

by **MPC_Developer** » 31 Oct 2004 6:04

Yes, they made it a little more difficult.

If you look to the uk-URL you will see, that a normal ring have one full cut.
The new ones have about four "half"-cuts.
They give you the feeling, that you locked on the right position.

My personal trick is to make sure, that the first wheel is wrong set.
Then do the same with the second.
Now you can feel just the last wheel.
Set it into the right position by feeling the differnt way of possible movent in the loged position.
The right number feele differnt. And so on.

You can also bring first to wrong, bring the second to lock-point, and then feel the last.

With the method I need about 30 to 60 sec to open one of these.

by **sidpick** » 31 Oct 2004 6:14

On the bottom of that link to the wilton combination padlock thingy there was a push button lock with 10 buttons. I have only seen one of these locks and never got a chance to play with it. Are these subceptable to top shim attack or is it a tension on the shackle and push the buttons through job? Anybody had any luck :?:

Abus 165/30

Abus 165/30

push button padlock

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