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Can a Key Extractor be used for picking?

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Can a Key Extractor be used for picking?

Postby parkourer » 25 Feb 2014 14:54

Hey,

Let me start off with saying that I know I post too much but i was just too curious on this one. :oops:

A key extractor is used for removing broken keys, that i know. However, it has a little triangular head. :idea: This is almost exactly what a half diamond pick looks like. So would there be any problem using a key extractor in lieu of a half-diamond pick? Do you guys think this would work?

Also, let me take advantage of this opportunity to ease my curiosity. How is it that a key piece could get broken, and stuck in a lock? I think it would be really hard to break a key with your bare hands :lol: ... Bumping a lock is the only situation where i could see this possible

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Re: Can a Key Extractor be used for picking?

Postby easy-e » 25 Feb 2014 15:36

parkourer wrote:Hey,

Let me start off with saying that I know I post too much but i was just too curious on this one. :oops:

A key extractor is used for removing broken keys, that i know. However, it has a little triangular head. :idea: This is almost exactly what a half diamond pick looks like. So would there be any problem using a key extractor in lieu of a half-diamond pick? Do you guys think this would work?

Also, let me take advantage of this opportunity to ease my curiosity. How is it that a key piece could get broken, and stuck in a lock? I think it would be really hard to break a key with your bare hands :lol: ... Bumping a lock is the only situation where i could see this possible

Thanks
PK :mrgreen:

Keys wear over time and eventually develop cracks. If the first cut next to the bow is really deep, it will weaken the key and make it more likely to break.

Anything small enough to fit in a keyway, and stong enough to lift the pin stacks can be made to work to when picking locks. I wouldn't recommend it, but if it was the only pick I had, I'd give it a try. I usually like to pick from back to front, and the ledge on a key extractor would make it more difficult to pull the lockpick out of the lock.
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Re: Can a Key Extractor be used for picking?

Postby parkourer » 25 Feb 2014 15:53

Thanks a lot!! :D. Has your key ever been broken? Did you ever have to use one?
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Re: Can a Key Extractor be used for picking?

Postby easy-e » 25 Feb 2014 17:22

parkourer wrote:Thanks a lot!! :D. Has your key ever been broken? Did you ever have to use one?

Some of my drivers have broken their keys off in our padlocks. I'm assuming it's from the locks falling on the ground with the key in it.

They do work, but I've had issues getting it over the first hump to get a hold of the key. This was with the standard kind of extractor. I have a Peterson extractor that has a few jagged teeth which I haven't gotten to try yet. I've found it easier to pop the cylinder out of the lock and push the broken key out from the back side. That options isn't always possible, but I haven't had many opportunities to remove broken keys.
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Re: Can a Key Extractor be used for picking?

Postby fgarci03 » 25 Feb 2014 18:19

In theory, yes....

But there's the risk that it gets stuck inside the lock and you can't remove it. If you look at it, it kinda looks like a fishing hook, so there's a chance it gets stuck on a pin...


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Re: Can a Key Extractor be used for picking?

Postby KPick » 26 Feb 2014 1:23

Yes you can use it as a pick, but it's not practical.
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Re: Can a Key Extractor be used for picking?

Postby GWiens2001 » 26 Feb 2014 6:54

Anyway, if it breaks off in the lock, are you going to have to use a broken key to get the missing part out?

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Re: Can a Key Extractor be used for picking?

Postby HerrMannelig » 26 Feb 2014 8:45

parkourer wrote:A key extractor is used for removing broken keys, that i know. However, it has a little triangular head. :idea: This is almost exactly what a half diamond pick looks like. So would there be any problem using a key extractor in lieu of a half-diamond pick? Do you guys think this would work?


It would work, but then again, one can use a paper clip as a makeshift pick when necessary (I have never done this). It would be hard to move back and forth through the lock, as it would catch on the pins.

It however can be used to open some padlocks very well using a non-picking technique.
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Re: Can a Key Extractor be used for picking?

Postby fgarci03 » 26 Feb 2014 13:03

GWiens2001 wrote:Anyway, if it breaks off in the lock, are you going to have to use a broken key to get the missing part out?

Gordon

No, you'd need to use a Broken Broken Key Extractor Extractor :mrgreen:
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Re: Can a Key Extractor be used for picking?

Postby parkourer » 26 Feb 2014 15:13

fgarci03 wrote:
GWiens2001 wrote:Anyway, if it breaks off in the lock, are you going to have to use a broken key to get the missing part out?

Gordon

No, you'd need to use a Broken Broken Key Extractor Extractor :mrgreen:


Lol :lol: .. BTW, how do they even work?? How will you get the key extractor in front of the broken key shard to pull it out??
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Re: Can a Key Extractor be used for picking?

Postby fgarci03 » 26 Feb 2014 16:04

There are many kinds of extractors. The more generic ones don't work on evey situstion. Here's a video with some info...



I've never used one, so I can't be much of help. Perhaps one of the locksmiths here is able to enlighten us?
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Re: Can a Key Extractor be used for picking?

Postby GWiens2001 » 26 Feb 2014 16:49

The key extractor is not supposed to go in front of the key. The two kinds I have used either to up on top enough to hook one of the peaks and use that to pull out the key remnant or slide alongside the blade of the key and use friction to pull out the key remnant.

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