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Beginner-Friendly Padlock, Security Pins

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Beginner-Friendly Padlock, Security Pins

Postby parkourer » 3 Mar 2014 19:20

Hey,

Here is part II of my question "Easy to pick padlock, no security pins". This time, I want security pins. :lol:
I am not saying i'm a master or anything, :oops: its just that I could pretty much rake, and SPP my No. 3's in seconds. I read in a previous post that just because I can do that doesn't mean I can pick all the non-secure locks. However, I don't really want to buy deadbolts that has more pins.I want to move up, and learn how to tackle Spool Pins. As i said, I really prefer not to buy deadbolts. I prefer padlocks. What do you recommend as my next step up? I heard that the 140 is a nice spool pin lock. Is it one of the easy ones?

What do you think?
P.S: My preferred padlock brand is Master, because the hardware store that is 5 min walk from my house (conveniently) has lots of them :wink:

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Re: Beginner-Friendly Padlock, Security Pins

Postby GWiens2001 » 3 Mar 2014 20:11

Get a Master 140. They have a couple spools, and go into a nice, deep set, so they are good for learning spools.

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Re: Beginner-Friendly Padlock, Security Pins

Postby parkourer » 4 Mar 2014 9:41

GWiens2001 wrote:Get a Master 140. They have a couple spools, and go into a nice, deep set, so they are good for learning spools.

Gordon


Do they have an easy keyway like the No. 3? Or is it more restrictive?
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Re: Beginner-Friendly Padlock, Security Pins

Postby Squelchtone » 4 Mar 2014 10:16

parkourer wrote:
GWiens2001 wrote:Get a Master 140. They have a couple spools, and go into a nice, deep set, so they are good for learning spools.

Gordon


Do they have an easy keyway like the No. 3? Or is it more restrictive?


dont get lost in the details man, just got buy the lock that was suggested, it was good advice. also, google the lock and see the keyway for yourself..

here's a youtube video showing one in action:


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Re: Beginner-Friendly Padlock, Security Pins

Postby Josh___ » 4 Mar 2014 13:51

Another vote for the Master 140 and Master 150 after that.

Another good learning lock for me was the Abus 55/40. Available at some hardware stores or at Amazon for a low price http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005UM98YM/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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Re: Beginner-Friendly Padlock, Security Pins

Postby parkourer » 4 Mar 2014 14:42

Thanks for the replies.
Squelchtone wrote:dont get lost in the details man, just got buy the lock that was suggested, it was good advice. also, google the lock and see the keyway for yourself..


Not trying to get lost in the details :oops: , just wondering if i can pick it with a short hook and normal tension wrench from SouthOrd or if i need some euro-special-small picks or something like that.

Josh___ wrote:Another vote for the Master 140 and Master 150 after that.
Another good learning lock for me was the Abus 55/40. Available at some hardware stores or at Amazon for a low price

Is the Abus 55/40 as good a learning lock as the 140? In your opinion which would be the better one.

I'm asking this because I just bought some locks from the hardware store last friday, (the cashier/owner will get suspicious :lol: ) and don't really have time to go this week (Studies :x ). Don't ask me why, but my preferred site is amazon (I know ebay is cheaper). However, when I tried to purchase the 140, it said it was an add-on item, and i needed to order something worth $25 for it be shipped.

If you guys could link me to some good practice spool locks preferable under 10 dollars, I would appreciate it :D
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Re: Beginner-Friendly Padlock, Security Pins

Postby GWiens2001 » 4 Mar 2014 22:48

Just checked Amazon. You might have selected 'add on item'. You can purchase it without being an add-on item!

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Re: Beginner-Friendly Padlock, Security Pins

Postby Josh___ » 5 Mar 2014 9:42

I got a lot of entry-level / intermediate locks from Amazon. Almost always at a steep discount from what a hardware store sells them for.

The Abus from my experience has very shallow spools. Less force is needed to overcome them as compared to a Master 140.

Both are good learning locks, and as far as I can tell either can be got from Amazon for <$7.
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Re: Beginner-Friendly Padlock, Security Pins

Postby parkourer » 5 Mar 2014 17:22

Thanks to the both of you!! Do you need a set of slimline picks to pick the Master 140, or the Abus?
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Re: Beginner-Friendly Padlock, Security Pins

Postby GWiens2001 » 5 Mar 2014 21:25

Normal picks will work fine with the Master 140. Most likely the same with the ABUS, unless the lock has one of the small twisty keyways.

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Re: Beginner-Friendly Padlock, Security Pins

Postby l0ckcr4ck3r » 5 Mar 2014 23:29

Push yourself a bit and get a 5200... or the Ace 5202833... you can repin it and go again!!! The Ace is one of my favorites even though its been picked a couple a hundred times, just feels good in the hand.
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Re: Beginner-Friendly Padlock, Security Pins

Postby C locked » 6 Mar 2014 3:22

In australia. A lockwood 120 series. Ie. Lockwood 120/40 40mm brass body padlock with a small yale profiled key. has a 5 cut key. With 4 spool pins. Usually easily raked with short half diamond. Or spp with a small short hook. In my experience.
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Re: Beginner-Friendly Padlock, Security Pins

Postby C locked » 6 Mar 2014 3:29

parkourer, I know that you probably aren't in australia. (Suggest you fill your location in your profile) but it is a global society we are in. So i'm posting for those who (like i was) when first interested regularly read for ages before registering.
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Re: Beginner-Friendly Padlock, Security Pins

Postby parkourer » 6 Mar 2014 14:10

Thanks to all, however, i still have a few questions.
l0ckcr4ck3r wrote:Push yourself a bit and get a 5200... or the Ace 5202833... you can repin it and go again!!! The Ace is one of my favorites even though its been picked a couple a hundred times, just feels good in the hand.


Can you link me to one of those? and by the 5200 what do you mean?

C locked wrote:In australia. A lockwood 120 series. Ie. Lockwood 120/40 40mm brass body padlock with a small yale profiled key. has a 5 cut key. With 4 spool pins. Usually easily raked with short half diamond. Or spp with a small short hook. In my experience.


Isn't yale profiled keyways restrictive?
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Re: Beginner-Friendly Padlock, Security Pins

Postby Divinorum » 6 Mar 2014 15:14

By 5200 I believe he means the American Lock 5200.

http://www.mrlock.com/12107.html?id=b8XpysR2

And yes Yale key ways can be more restrictive than other locks. Search on google images to compare what one key way looks like vs another one. This will give you a better idea for yourself what they look like.
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