Beginner-Friendly Padlock, Security Pins

[parkourer]

You're right! I managed to do it once more. This time I just increased tension and raked it open. I can't do it anymore. But I have a question. Since this is an seemingly unknown lock (Have you heard of the Master #1903?), that has 5 pins of which some are security pins, how do I know what types of security pins there are. I'm using the spool pin method (when I feel counter-rotation I decrease torque and apply pressure, but that yields nothing so far. I'm also having trouble distinguishing between regular pins and security, because the counter-rotation isn't that obvious. Tips are appreciated

[Divinorum]

You're right! I managed to do it once more. This time I just increased tension and raked it open. I can't do it anymore. But I have a question. Since this is an seemingly unknown lock (Have you heard of the Master #1903?), that has 5 pins of which some are security pins, how do I know what types of security pins there are. I'm using the spool pin method (when I feel counter-rotation I decrease torque and apply pressure, but that yields nothing so far. I'm also having trouble distinguishing between regular pins and security, because the counter-rotation isn't that obvious. Tips are appreciated

I have not head of the 1930. As far as telling what pins there are, you can try and research the lock (Google etc) and pay attention to the feed back you are getting. You say you feel counter rotation so you likely identified a spool, deal with it as you described. Don't over tension and go slow, if your binding pin is a spool you will feel the tension wrench wanting to turn back. Just takes practice and patience, you will get it with time. Check out youtube videos for identifying and dealing with security pins there are a whole bunch of good ones.

[parkourer]

I have not head of the 1930. As far as telling what pins there are, you can try and research the lock (Google etc) and pay attention to the feed back you are getting. You say you feel counter rotation so you likely identified a spool, deal with it as you described. Don't over tension and go slow, if your binding pin is a spool you will feel the tension wrench wanting to turn back. Just takes practice and patience, you will get it with time. Check out youtube videos for identifying and dealing with security pins there are a whole bunch of good ones.

The thing is, I seem to identify the spool, but when i release tension, and push up with the pick, it doesn't seem to do anything. Could i be missing the pin? Also i read about this exaggerated rotation. I don't have that, all i feel is some counter rotation, nothing else.

[GWiens2001]

Ease off tension, and keep lifting the pin that gives counter rotation until it sets

Gordon

[parkourer]

Thank You

[parkourer]

Hey,

Didn't want to make a new thread, because it has to do with my old one. After a week and 2 days of on and off failing (lol ), I officially give up on my Master Economy 5-pin with spool brass locks that i had bought earlier. Maybe i need something easier to learn spool pins .

I recently heard of Interchangeable-Core (I.C) padlocks. This idea appealed to me, because it would be easy to learn spools with. I could just remove the plug, and repin, or it could act like a cutaway (a less expensive one ). I did a quick Google search and got expensive, or padlocks that did not appeal to me (I really don't know that's why i am posting here :p)

Can you guys suggest some good I.C Padlocks, with some spool pins? Which ones have you guys picked that you can recommend to me?

Thanks,
Parkourer

[KPick]

Try the Master Lock Pro Series padlock. It''s full of spools. Just take the others out and do a progressive learning technique where you only put one pin stack (one key pin and one driver pin) then you work your way up to two when you think you got the single pin stack done and so on.

It has a removable core so it's perfect.

http://www.amazon.com/Master-Lock-6835NKA-GRN-Aluminum-Padlock/dp/B00493ZE00/ref=sr_1_44?ie=UTF8&qid=1394744079&sr=8-44&keywords=masterlock+pro+series

[spandexwarrior]

Hey,

Didn't want to make a new thread, because it has to do with my old one. After a week and 2 days of on and off failing (lol ), I officially give up on my Master Economy 5-pin with spool brass locks that i had bought earlier. Maybe i need something easier to learn spool pins .

I recently heard of Interchangeable-Core (I.C) padlocks. This idea appealed to me, because it would be easy to learn spools with. I could just remove the plug, and repin, or it could act like a cutaway (a less expensive one ). I did a quick Google search and got expensive, or padlocks that did not appeal to me (I really don't know that's why i am posting here :p)

Can you guys suggest some good I.C Padlocks, with some spool pins? Which ones have you guys picked that you can recommend to me?

Thanks,
Parkourer

You don't want IC core anything, like a SFIC or LFIC - these will have multiple shear lines and are going to give you a lot of trouble if you can't pick the cheap master lock with a couple of spools.

Someone in another thread referred to an Abus re-keyable padlock as IC but it's really just re-keyable and that is what you are looking for. You can take the core out of the lock via a screw under the shackle. The Abus 83 series is an option but you can only get access to the key pins via the quick re-key mechanism. To get to the driver pins, you need to take the plug out and will need a follower. This particular lock can be tricky to take apart and re-assemble due to the pin that keeps the plug from turning to access the quick re-key slot - if the plug turns and it springs into one of the pin chambers you will never get it out.

-Brian

[parkourer]

Don't worry guys, I am almost finished with this thread

Anyway, I decided rekeyable padlocks are too expensive. Since the #140 doesn't ship to me, I read that the Master #120 has 3 pins some of which are security pins. I also heard that the #130 has 4 pins some of which are security pins. This question is pretty straightforward: Should i get the 4 pin one, or the 3 pin one. If i get the 3 pin one, i could potentially face the problem of getting a really easy one, and then having to buy another. If i get the 4 pin one, then i could face the problem of not being able to pick it because there is lots of pins? The answer should be pretty easy, and any advice will be appreciated.

Thanks,
Parkourer

[Divinorum]

Don't worry guys, I am almost finished with this thread

Anyway, I decided rekeyable padlocks are too expensive. Since the #140 doesn't ship to me, I read that the Master #120 has 3 pins some of which are security pins. I also heard that the #130 has 4 pins some of which are security pins. This question is pretty straightforward: Should i get the 4 pin one, or the 3 pin one. If i get the 3 pin one, i could potentially face the problem of getting a really easy one, and then having to buy another. If i get the 4 pin one, then i could face the problem of not being able to pick it because there is lots of pins? The answer should be pretty easy, and any advice will be appreciated.
Thanks,
Parkourer

4 pins is not that many. You will likely have to put some time and keep practicing with it but, eventually you will get it open. I still say get a lock you can re pin. That way you can start off with 1 spool, get a feel for it, and then increase the pins. It doesn't have to be a padlock, there are plenty of Key in Knob locks or RIM cylinders to choose from.

[parkourer]

Thank you! I will!

[KPick]

Rekeyable locks are awesome in my opinion. That's how I got a feel for the serrated pins. The struggle, I don't even want to remember lol. Good news is, you don't just learn how to pick the lock open; you also learn how to put it back together, repin it, look at the pins.

[parkourer]

4 pins is not that many. You will likely have to put some time and keep practicing with it but, eventually you will get it open. I still say get a lock you can re pin. That way you can start off with 1 spool, get a feel for it, and then increase the pins. It doesn't have to be a padlock, there are plenty of Key in Knob locks or RIM cylinders to choose from.

Which knob locks have spool pins in them? I am not very familiar with knob or deadbolts that much. I only know kwikset is the easiest, Masters are a little harder (but still easy), then comes Schlage and Medeco

[parkourer]

The thing is, i know this sounds a bit 'stuck up' but i think knobs and deadbolts, when their used unfastened as a practice lock are a bit messy. I mean,its good when its attached, but i prefer padlocks because they are meant to be unfastened and mobile. However, I understand the fact that knobs and deadbolts are easy to rekey, and cheap. For example, a deadbolt is $10 dollars on Amazon, whereas a rekeyable padlock is $30.

I think i will just stick to the Master No. 130, which is a 4 pin/ spool lock. B.T.W:

Try the Master Lock Pro Series padlock. It''s full of spools. Just take the others out and do a progressive learning technique where you only put one pin stack (one key pin and one driver pin) then you work your way up to two when you think you got the single pin stack done and so on.

[Divinorum]

The thing is, i know this sounds a bit 'stuck up' but i think knobs and deadbolts, when their used unfastened as a practice lock are a bit messy. I mean,its good when its attached, but i prefer padlocks because they are meant to be unfastened and mobile. However, I understand the fact that knobs and deadbolts are easy to rekey, and cheap. For example, a deadbolt is $10 dollars on Amazon, whereas a rekeyable padlock is $30.

I think i will just stick to the Master No. 130, which is a 4 pin/ spool lock. B.T.W:

Try the Master Lock Pro Series padlock. It''s full of spools. Just take the others out and do a progressive learning technique where you only put one pin stack (one key pin and one driver pin) then you work your way up to two when you think you got the single pin stack done and so on.

I pick my deadbolts and KIK locks using a vice. There is no awkward feeling trying to hold the lock and it's more realistic as if the lock was mounted on a door. KPick has a great recommendation with the Master Pro Sport. I picked one recently, it had 5 spools great feedback and counter rotation. Also has that removable core so you can take out stacks.