This is probably very obvious but i haven't figured out how the Control element is built into Disc detainers. I'm specifically thinking of the LFIC Protec, can anyone let me know me know how it works?
yeah... I'm looking forward to finding out as well....
Master keying i get, with additional true gates but I've been trying to imagine additional or perhaps split side bars to make the control function happen!!???
Its almost worth dropping 100 bucks on one from Ssnobs to find out Website says a Special Control key is needed.... so maybe they just degrade the whole lock to a lower disc count and then have a split side bar and then have inner radii cuts only on the operating key?
l0ckcr4ck3r wrote:yeah... I'm looking forward to finding out as well....
Master keying i get, with additional true gates but I've been trying to imagine additional or perhaps split side bars to make the control function happen!!???
Its almost worth dropping 100 bucks on one from Ssnobs to find out Website says a Special Control key is needed.... so maybe they just degrade the whole lock to a lower disc count and then have a split side bar and then have inner radii cuts only on the operating key?
I think the special key is longer than the normal key in order to activate the disc(s) that turn the linkage that retracts the pin holding the core in the shell.
I dont even know if it has any special cuts on it or if it just has the regular cuts, and a 0 bitted tip, or if the control disc(s) are coded to something.
I'd like to see a tear down as well! =) Squelchtone
!! I've been scratching on paper for the last hour on this one...
Squelch, thats one of the avenues i went down, a longer key. But then you must have a split sidebar or the operating key would would act as control as well.
If the main disc stack and the additional activator/ministack were completely separated, then this would make it the easiest Protec Bypass/Pick in the world!!
Perhaps theres some interaction between the 2 of them.... main disc stack must be rotated to a certain point and then the activator operates with the longer key in there, although that would probably mean one whole edge to the control key would need to be removed....
This is doing my head in... Gordon, wheres the tear down?
To raise the heat up a little bit: If the key is longer how will the shorter key reach the end where protec 2 has the special turning bit (which excerts most of the turning force to reduce wear on the other cuts). (It's called an AWS.) Anyhow protec 2 has a special tip so I'm curious how varying length of keys would work.
So back to a shorter active disc stack, with inner radii cuts on the end of the operator key and then some use of the outer radii cuts on the end of the control key.
Those end discs would need a true gate stretching all the way round the disc though, making rights escalation fairly easy.
Website says a Special Control key is needed.... so maybe they just degrade the whole lock to a lower disc count and then have a split side bar and then have inner radii cuts only on the operating key?
