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Starting to restore a safe

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Starting to restore a safe

Postby GWiens2001 » 13 Mar 2014 16:29

Just got a new project to work on in spare time. Gotta get it home first. It has been sitting outside at a business for about 25 years, next door to a safe shop I haunt. They said it was mine if I wanted it, but have to haul it away myself. No rush on the hauling, either.

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It was only open about a few inches, and had years of dead leaves on and inside, since the door was ajar all those years. Oh, and plenty of rust. Can't forget the rust. Even though we live in the desert, we do get some heavy rains a few times a year, so over 25 years, there is a fair bit of rust. Luckily, it is all surface rust. A bit of sandblasting should take it off.

Had to use a car jack to get the door open beyond the roughly 3-4 inches it was open. A lot of pushing my weight around, sweating, and judicious use of colorful language got the door so it can be pulled open about 90 degrees, though not swung all the way over yet. Nor easily at this point. That took about 30-45 minutes. Once I get it here, will work on lifting the door a little bit and working some grease into the hinges. Then it will be time to try freeing up the boltwork.

This will likely be a year-long project. The safe is probably about 3000 pounds (1364-1591 kilograms). The door probably weighs about 500 pounds (about 227 kilograms). There is a lot of solid metal in that door! Those estimates are from my friend who owns the safe shop next door to this safe. The original lock was taken off when the safe was put outside, so it should be functional. If not, will find another one once I have the boltwork freed up and working smoothly. Will have to sandblast and repaint the outside and inside.

Do not know the year of the safe, though I’d estimate around 1900, give or take 20 years or so. While spraying some lube into the hinge, found this stamped on the upper hinge:

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It says “J. L. Hall’s Patent FEB 25th, 1873.”

That patent appears to relate to patent number US 136239 A, which is for an improvement in safe door hinges.

Sure that our Illustrious Squelchtone can tell us more about the safe. It has two layers of wedge-shaped overlaps between the door and safe body for better blasting protection. Anyone with more info is invited to post it here.

Will take more pictures when I get the chance. The safe is currently about 25 miles away, so it is not here to photograph. Probably will try getting it over here in the next few weeks.

Anybody with tips for restoring this safe, freeing up boltwork (the door can be opened enough for me to access the interior of the door, so access is not a problem), and anything related to this safe would be appreciated. Over time, as I get this project worked on, will post pictures. Think the boltwork pictures (when I take them) will need to go into the advanced forum, unless an admin or mod says it is ok to post them here. Since the door is open, there won't be any destructive entry material.

Next time I go across town (probably next week), will get measurements and a couple more pictures to post.

Wish me luck!

Gordon
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Re: Starting to restore a safe

Postby Squelchtone » 13 Mar 2014 21:42

I suppose its time I get off my ass and post the step by step of my restoration. I think your will need sandblasting though, my old safe wasnt this rusty when I got it on craigslist. how does the dial look? does it spin? cool find man!

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the only teaser I have is this pic: http://highsecurityconsulting.com/1947-Protectall.jpg
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Re: Starting to restore a safe

Postby C locked » 14 Mar 2014 2:21

Nice find. By the age of it i'd think that the top hinge plate should be removable. remove the door. Save yourself some pain when moving it. ...also. I'd be more worried about the base plate rusting.
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Re: Starting to restore a safe

Postby torontosafecracker » 14 Mar 2014 6:48

Nice!, There is a similar one sitting outside of a mechanics shop here in Toronto.

I've been thinking about asking if I can restore it, and turn it into some clever advertising. That way I don't have to move it, but can still restore the poor guy.

I hate to see a nice safe rot away .

So thanks to you for saving this one.


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Re: Starting to restore a safe

Postby ARF-GEF » 14 Mar 2014 10:01

I actually used these things to clear away rust from big old chunks of metal. It doesn't seem like it but it does much nicer job than chemicals:

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Re: Starting to restore a safe

Postby GWiens2001 » 14 Mar 2014 11:36

ARF-GEF wrote:I actually used these things to clear away rust from big old chunks of metal. It doesn't seem like it but it does much nicer job than chemicals:

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Those are a good idea, and I have some. The only problem is that it will not fit where the toughest to access rust is - around the boltwork, in the door jams, and other tight spots. But appreciate the input!

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Re: Starting to restore a safe

Postby teamstarlet » 16 Mar 2014 16:37

Can't wait to see the results Gordon!
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Re: Starting to restore a safe

Postby Achyfellow » 16 Mar 2014 16:45

Looks like a really fun project.

(I bet you can't fix this one with brass stock ;P)
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Re: Starting to restore a safe

Postby GWiens2001 » 16 Mar 2014 18:04

Achifaifa wrote:Looks like a really fun project.

(I bet you can't fix this one with brass stock ;P)


You are probably right!!!

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Re: Starting to restore a safe

Postby fgarci03 » 18 Mar 2014 20:35

Beatifull safe! Looking forward to see the work done!! :twisted:


You haunt a safe shop? :mrgreen:
Do they fear you, or what? :twisted: :twisted:



Achifaifa wrote:(I bet you can't fix this one with brass stock ;P)

Do you?
Knowing Gordon, I could call that bet! What do you say? :mrgreen:
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Re: Starting to restore a safe

Postby GWiens2001 » 18 Mar 2014 20:53

Do have some very heavy brass drift punches, as well as a 1,5 kg brass hammer that will likely play a role in freeing up the bolt work, so it is even money for either side of the bet. :lol:

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Re: Starting to restore a safe

Postby Achyfellow » 19 Oct 2014 9:13

I'm sorry for necromancing this post, but I'm really curious. How is the restoration going?
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Re: Starting to restore a safe

Postby GWiens2001 » 19 Oct 2014 10:30

Achifaifa wrote:I'm sorry for necromancing this post, but I'm really curious. How is the restoration going?


Wish I could update this post. Still trying to get the darn thing here! Unfortunately, at more than 1400 kilograms, it is more than most lifts on trucks can lift. Obviously, it is too heavy to just pick up and toss into the back of a pickup (utility) truck. Really anxious to get this project moving. Have been stocking up on rust penetrant and Tri-Flow to get it freed up. :?

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Re: Starting to restore a safe

Postby billdeserthills » 29 Oct 2014 11:41

Hey Gordon I know how you can cut that weight in half!
Simply remove the door, heh heh
Just trying to help ya out Man
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Re: Starting to restore a safe

Postby GWiens2001 » 29 Oct 2014 12:07

billdeserthills wrote:Hey Gordon I know how you can cut that weight in half!
Simply remove the door, heh heh
Just trying to help ya out Man


Not half. The door 'only' weighs about 500 pounds (227.25 kg). :)

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