Multiple sidebar locking mechanism, Does it exist already?

[JoshuaWest]

Hello,

Recently had a thought and wanted to confirm if a locking mechanism of this variety exists:

Using a key that looks warded, but instead of wards on the inside of the lock there are multiple sidebars that drop into the cuts on the key when inserted fully.
--> I imagine it would function with a "push" type mechanism when the key is fully inserted to pressure the sidebars into place.

Does something like this exist already? I feel like I've read about it, but it may have just been in a "lock dream" last night.

If this mechanism doesn't exist, the only limiter I can think of is how the sidebars would be used to prevent bypass with a paperclip etc., maybe they would fall too far without the biting to keep them in place?
Maybe a turn of the key would still be required (turn 90 degrees before the biting runs perpendicular the sidebars?


Anyways, Looking forward to everyone's thoughts!

JW

[Paleo123]

https://www.google.ca/search?q=double+sidebar+lock&safe=off&espv=2&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=JHkvU9b1CIb00gGcx4GgCQ&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1242&bih=585#q=bilock&safe=off&tbm=isch&facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=O-mzQU69iQtOHM%253A%3BBXkhPnXJi43bAM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.bilock.com%252Fimages%252F719_exploded_BiLock.JPG%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.bilock.com%252Fpickbumpproof.html%3B719%3B539
the bilock it has key pins but as that diagram shows there are no top pins. Its been a few days since i was reading about this lock but I believe the company claims pick and bump proof they are just lucky I'm not willing to spend over $100 to find out

[Paleo123]

It actually looks as if the bilock is a trilock lol the front cover there looks like it interacts with its own side bar

[Squelchtone]

I think ASSA Desmo is dual sidebars.

[Paleo123]

Just went to their site they do claim pick proof says there are videos of them being picked but they discredit them by saying they were tampered with or staring at the key. But staring at the key and being picked is still picked so I think they are just sticking with their pick proof statement even though I think this thing probably is pickable

[GWiens2001]

It is pickable, but not likely by a beginner. Have succeeded five or six times, but not consistent at it.

Gordon

[Paleo123]

Well you piqued my curiosity Squelchtone...It's too bad Assa doesn't provide blown up 3D diagrams on that thing lol https://www.google.ca/search?q=ASSA+Desmo&safe=off&espv=2&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=43svU9KnOsaS0AHc-4CgCQ&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1242&bih=585#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=F8VC4-cmpOAX4M%253A%3BDPvLY2GiSt7t5M%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.suzo.de%252Fhtml%252Fassets%252Fimages%252Fproduct-images%252Fthumbs%252F74c656525d4be3827a02748be964bd49.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.suzo.de%252F%253Fprodukte%2526kategorie%253DR5b%3B200%3B262 that was the best I could find. I am having a harder time visualizing how this one operates.

[Paleo123]

Have you tried rigging up any kind of double rake Gordon? I'm looking at this diagram now thinking sure bumping might not work because there is no top pins to bump but there doesn't appear to be any reason raking wouldn't be effective.

[GWiens2001]

Bumping absolutely will not work on BiLock. As for a double rake - have had no luck with raking these locks. The tolerances are very good, so it helps to be able to feel what is going on inside the lock. That said, it is still not easy to feel the feedback due to both sidebars being strongly sprung, and you need to counter that spring tension from both sidebars in order to pick the lock. Am an alright picker, but certainly no farmerfreak.

Gordon

[Squelchtone]

I am having a harder time visualizing how this one operates.

https://ssl.keypicking.com/viewtopic.ph ... 66&start=0

[Paleo123]

I officially want one of both of these locks now

[Paleo123]

And thanks Squelchtone that makes more sense now the only part I don't understand is the serrations and channel on the two horizontal pins...if they are just there for to push against the side bars why aren't they just smooth?

[Squelchtone]

And thanks Squelchtone that makes more sense now the only part I don't understand is the serrations and channel on the two horizontal pins...if they are just there for to push against the side bars why aren't they just smooth?

horizontal pins? do you mean the sidebars? do you mind marking up one of the photos from the post i linked to and uploading it it to http://tinypic.com or to http://imgur.com ? I'm not sure what you mean by serrations and channel on the two horizontal pins..

maybe you're looking at the little springs that are sleeved onto the pins which push against the sidebars? the springs are there to push the sidebars out in an effort to relock the lock when the key is removed.

Squelchtone

[GWiens2001]

Think he is referring to the false gates on the pins. They look like serrated pins.

Careful about reading posts here. You will end up wanting a lot of locks! Trust me, speaking from experience.

Gordon

[Paleo123]

Oh sorry my bad now I see it lol I thought it was one spring between two pins now I see that second pin has a spring on it...so thank you again lol