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retail store - bad security practices

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retail store - bad security practices

Postby Onz » 11 Apr 2014 5:06

Sorry if the title is a bit misleading, mods can change if you want.

But to the story. So I had to goto the shopping centre to buy the metal cubes (So they don't water down your drinks) and went into this store where they had a trolley where they transport their selling goods which had keys on it. It was just hanging there with the 2 girls that work there chatting behind the counter with this on the other side of the store. Just by looking at the key while they were hanging there I could see that the bitting was about 1,7,3,3,6. Who the hell does that? They are just asking for some criminal to come and rob them by impression or stealing the keys without the owners knowing.

Here is the photo to show you what I mean: http://i.imgur.com/l6PAcdu.jpg

Sorry if this thread has no big point just wanted to show/rant about this, and how unintelligent people can be with security.

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Last edited by Squelchtone on 11 Apr 2014 6:52, edited 2 times in total.
Reason: yes, that title was misleading. If you think something is going to cause mods work, please dont do it, we dont need the extra work. I edited the title to reflect what the post is about.
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Re: retail store - bad security practices

Postby jeffmoss26 » 11 Apr 2014 7:13

Most of the time when I go visit my grandma at the nursing home, the staff has left keys sticking out of a lock in the hallway.
Nothing is stopping someone from walking off with their keys! At least they are Schlage Primus so getting the bitting would not allow you to make a key directly.
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Re: retail store - bad security practices

Postby Onz » 11 Apr 2014 7:30

Jeffmoss26 peoples incompetence really does surprise me. Ohh the Schlage Primus are a great lock with the side bars and pins.
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Re: retail store - bad security practices

Postby cledry » 12 Apr 2014 9:27

Well, the alarm for one thing. Most stores aren't robbed with keys, they are robbed by shoplifters and occasionally the odd car or brick through the window.
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Re: retail store - bad security practices

Postby bembel » 12 Apr 2014 13:33

Most people are careless with their keys because they don't know better. I have seen people posting images of their keys + description on the internet and it was very easy for me to find out their real names and addresses.
Some people seem to think it's a funny game and ask other people to post their key chains, too. :roll:
So far I left 2 comments on blogs but I'm not sure if they got it.
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Re: retail store - bad security practices

Postby MacGyver101 » 12 Apr 2014 22:01

I think the worst example I've seen was a store not too far from me, where I watched the manager dig the broken half of a key out of the cylinder on the front door... and he then tossed both halves of the broken key onto the ground and walked back into the store. :|
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Re: retail store - bad security practices

Postby GWiens2001 » 12 Apr 2014 23:26

MacGyver101 wrote:I think the worst example I've seen was a store not too far from me, where I watched the manager dig the broken half of a key out of the cylinder on the front door... and he then tossed both halves of the broken key onto the ground and walked back into the store. :|


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Re: retail store - bad security practices

Postby MSL » 13 Apr 2014 8:55

I did retail security for 5 years. The mall I worked at had no cameras at the time, and after closing only one guard.

There were lots of carts people would sell from, the little sales carts loaded with this or that usually cell phones or lotion or something. One of them only sold metabolife. The security method for the carts was a nylon tarp that they wrapped them up with and locked with a padlock.

At least once a month someone would just take a knife and cut through the things and take whatever they wanted. Once I found one of them had been pushed through the glass doors into the parking lot and knocked over and ransacked. But it was a little new age shop that just sold incense and things shaped like butterflies so not much of value was taken.

I've seen jewelry stores leave display cases full of gold and diamonds and then not actually lock the bottom of the gate, just use the motor to put it down.

Its amazing what people are willing to sacrifice in terms of security for the convenience of not having to bend over and lock something.
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Re: retail store - bad security practices

Postby KPick » 14 Apr 2014 0:08

MSL wrote:I did retail security for 5 years. The mall I worked at had no cameras at the time, and after closing only one guard.

There were lots of carts people would sell from, the little sales carts loaded with this or that usually cell phones or lotion or something. One of them only sold metabolife. The security method for the carts was a nylon tarp that they wrapped them up with and locked with a padlock.

At least once a month someone would just take a knife and cut through the things and take whatever they wanted. Once I found one of them had been pushed through the glass doors into the parking lot and knocked over and ransacked. But it was a little new age shop that just sold incense and things shaped like butterflies so not much of value was taken.

I've seen jewelry stores leave display cases full of gold and diamonds and then not actually lock the bottom of the gate, just use the motor to put it down.

Its amazing what people are willing to sacrifice in terms of security for the convenience of not having to bend over and lock something.



You should really tell them about the lack of security. I would have at least told them about it.
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Re: retail store - bad security practices

Postby MSL » 14 Apr 2014 0:10

That was almost 10 years ago, they knew, they just didn't care. As long as the vendors paid the rent the management couldn't care less. And now its owned by a much bigger company with who uses a security company of guys who make less and have less training and care even less. Its really kind of sad. No one takes pride in doing a good job anymore.
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Re: retail store - bad security practices

Postby billdeserthills » 15 Apr 2014 17:11

Unfortunately people do the same thing at home, by not locking the door from the garage into the house. Most people never lock this door and I have seen a tool for sale for years now thats only function is to pull the emergency rope on the garage door, which will allow it to simply roll up
These same folks often have windows in their garage, so anyone breaking the glass can just climb in, & walk into the house.
Another pet peeve of mine is the installers who don't drill the strike hole for a deadbolt to the full 1" required. I have seen jobs where the criminal simply pushed the deadbolt latch back with an icepick, because a deadbolt latch doesn't lock-out in it's proper position, until it has been pushed out a full inch. I make sure to check every deadbolt strike I see at work and I charge $8.50 to $18.50 to drill these in properly after explaining why it is needed on the job.
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