Call From The Police

[daniel22747]

"Anyhow it just seems odd to me that the detective wanted to come by my house, he inquired as to whether this thief was a girlfriend, or sister-in-law which she most certainly is not."

He asked if the thief was your girlfriend or sister in law? Is that what you are saying?

If so then this detective is going to try and pin this on you. It is his job to close this case and any warm body will do. This woman is probably not able to be located or knows to keep her mouth shut and say nothing.

Most people know that everything you say can, and will, be used against you in a court of law (this is true both before and after arrest). But did you know that if this detecive arrests you that nothing you say to him can be used to help in a court of law? It will be suppressed as hearsay.

Only things you say to the police that incriminate you can be used in court. Things you say to them that prove your innocence is hearsay and will not be allowed. This is called "admission by a party opponent". This is part of the rules of evidence.

The fact that the detective was asking if you know this woman personally is a big red flag that you are in fact a suspect. Remember, if you are suspect, this detective is not going to tell you that. He will make it sound like he just needs your help in getting the facts and solving this crime. You will not know you are suspect until well into the interview.

Also the fact that he wanted to come to your house is another big red flag. If he thinks you are a thief he wants in your house so he can look for evidence. He can't get a warrent so he wants your permission to enter. Also if he arrests you in your home he will be able to search the immediate area for safety reasons.

I would not talk to this guy at all. If he shows up at your shop ask him to leave.

Remember the "admission by a party opponent" rule: Anything you say to this police officer can only be used to hurt you in a court of law. Anything you say to him that helps your case is hearsay and will be supressed.

[daniel22747]

[quote="billdeserthills]
Upon opening the front door the heady stench of a drug addict's house almost started my eyes burning. Many of these folks stop doing the dishes and you will Know It as soon as you smell the rotting food that has been laying in the sink for 6+ weeks. [/quote]

... or maybe they are really old and sickly, disabled, schizophrenic, suffering from dression, broke a leg and an arm skiing, have dementia, young college student that just don't care, a hoarder, or maybe they are a junkie.

You sure think you know a lot about people from very small amounts of data

[1mrchristopher]

You sure think you know a lot about people from very small amounts of data

OK, your statement, intentionally or otherwise, mocks a security professional who was relating his take on the situation HE was present for, which he assessed based on the years of experience he has. I will remain cordial, and state that it was at best, unkind.

[daniel22747]

You sure think you know a lot about people from very small amounts of data

OK, your statement, intentionally or otherwise, mocks a security professional who was relating his take on the situation HE was present for, which he assessed based on the years of experience he has. I will remain cordial, and state that it was at best, unkind.

Good point. But if a police officer talked to someone at their door and smelled an old nasty food odor from their kitchen sink and then went to a judge asking for a search warrent the judge would tell the officer to stop wasting the court's time.

[billdeserthills]

You sure think you know a lot about people from very small amounts of data

OK, your statement, intentionally or otherwise, mocks a security professional who was relating his take on the situation HE was present for, which he assessed based on the years of experience he has. I will remain cordial, and state that it was at best, unkind.

Good point. But if a police officer talked to someone at their door and smelled an old nasty food odor from their kitchen sink and then went to a judge asking for a search warrent the judge would tell the officer to stop wasting the court's time.

Please tell me how many Crack House's You've been in?
I wasn't talking about an "old nasty food odor" I'm going on 50 y/o
and I been in thousands of homes, so I do actually know what I speak of.

[billdeserthills]

[quote="billdeserthills
Upon opening the front door the heady stench of a drug addict's house almost started my eyes burning. Many of these folks stop doing the dishes and you will Know It as soon as you smell the rotting food that has been laying in the sink for 6+ weeks.

... or maybe they are really old and sickly, disabled, schizophrenic, suffering from dression, broke a leg and an arm skiing, have dementia, young college student that just don't care, a hoarder, or maybe they are a junkie.

You sure think you know a lot about people from very small amounts of data [/quote]


You are quite correct, in fact I can often tell after speaking with a client for less than 10 seconds
that I will not be happy working for that person. For the first 10 years I did this work I told myself
that there was No Way for me to know that. After that I learned to trust my instincts, I hope You find some of your own, someday.

[daniel22747]

Please tell me how many Crack House's You've been in?
I wasn't talking about an "old nasty food odor" I'm going on 50 y/o
and I been in thousands of homes, so I do actually know what I speak of.

I am very sorry I got confused by, "Many of these folks stop doing the dishes and you will Know It as soon as you smell the rotting food". I realize now that you were in no way talking about the smell of of rotting food, but many other things you didn't mention in the post.

I am so sorry to have questioned you wise lock smith. I am but a brash laymen and very stupid indeed. So sorry.

[daniel22747]

You are quite correct, in fact I can often tell after speaking with a client for less than 10 seconds that I will not be happy working for that person. For the first 10 years I did this work I told myself
that there was No Way for me to know that. After that I learned to trust my instincts, I hope You find some of your own, someday.

Instincts = prejudices that you tell yourself are wisdom.

I'd hate to see how you treat your non white clients

[MSL]

Billdeserthills has been nothing but helpful on this forum, and now you're calling him a racist for no discernible reason.

[daniel22747]

Billdeserthills has been nothing but helpful on this forum, and now you're calling him a racist for no discernible reason.

Racism would be one way to : "in fact I can often tell after speaking with a client for less than 10 seconds
that I will not be happy working for that person"

There really isn't much a person can say in less than 10 seconds, especially since about half that time would be taken up by Billesrthills talking. This would give the client only about 5 second of talking before Bill would know that they are no good drug addicts.

The only way he could make this determination in that amount time is via various forms of extreme prejudice, such as the smell of their kitchen sink that reveals all. Other prejudices that could be used would be color of skin, length of hair, style of clothes, apparent sexual orrientation, odor of the person, etc...

The point is having a stinky sink is not proof positive that you have encountered a scary addict. Boo!

[mhole]

IMO this thread is showcasing some extremely poor business practice, some almost certainly illegal negligence, and absolutely some immoral behaviour. I always ask up front if the property is the customers I own, whether rented or owned etc. I make it plain I will need proof of this as soon as access to the property is gained. I have walked away from a job which didn't smell right, and my clear statements have led to potential customers going elsewhere. Now I know what kind of operator they go to!

I have also threatened to call the police on customers who refuse to produce ID, purely as a point of principle. You DO NOT allow people into homes they have no right to. I'm genuinely shocked this thread had run this long without another professional expressing this view.

[GWiens2001]

I agree with parts of several viewpoints in this thread. mhole is 100% correct. Also, without any racism at all, most times you can tell within a few seconds, even without someone saying anything at all, if the person is going to be decent to work with.

The Miranda Rights clearly state that 'anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law'. It does not state that it will be used 'for' you, only against you. I would not agree to meet an officer at my home for an 'interview' related to a possible crime. They can stop by my work place, or I would go meet them at the police station or somewhere that would have an attorney present. This is because an officer would have very little need to come visit you at your home to ask questions unless they suspected you were involved.

Not an attorney, nor do I pretend to be one. But better to err on the side of caution.

Gordon

[daniel22747]

I The Miranda Rights clearly state that 'anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law'. It does not state that it will be used 'for' you, only against you. I would not agree to meet an officer at my home for an 'interview' related to a possible crime.
Gordon

Correct about the miranda rights, but going further into the rules of evidence in a court of law you get into hearsay and the exceptions to hearsay.

Basicaly this works out that anything you say to a police officer that incriminates you will be regarded as one of the exception to hearsay (under admission by a party opponent) . But anything you say that may help you will be regarded as hearsay and not allowed in court.

[Squelchtone]

Guess what guys, some of you cannot be nice and have to say snarky things from the comfort of your keyboards, so I'm going to lock this thread and leave it here today so other passing by can read it and learn how not to behave on a forum. Plus it is a nice Sunday, and I don't feel like babysitting children who should really know better.

Everyone here has something to contribute, both hobbyists and professionals. We all come from different walks of life, and have to do our best to be polite and cordial to each other. If you wouldn't say it to someone in person over a beer at the bar, don't say it here.

In case anyone is confused, member on member personal attacks are against the rules, also, because these topics can start all out war, please keep your political and religious views to yourselves, and be thoughtful if you are even going to try to discuss matters of race.

Thanks for playing nice everyone,
Squelchtone