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Now here's an interesting little gun lock...

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Now here's an interesting little gun lock...

Postby Drifty Flintlock » 13 May 2014 13:05

This is something that came through my dad's gunsmithing shop. He brought it to me hoping I could open it.

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https://i.imgur.com/rhWhQfw.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/MZuJQk0.jpg

I had a hard time getting a clear picture of the case lock, but it looks like it's the same lock as the gun itself. I think it's a tubular lock with 4 pins? Never heard of anything quite like that before, but there it is. Besides the one on the carrying case, the one on the gun is a rather unusual thing. It actually goes up in place of the magazine and holds everything shut.

I'd love to have a closer look at it, but sadly I have no tubular pick to even attempt it. Plus I'm rather wary of messing around since we don't know if it's loaded, or if it even could be with the lock on. Thought I'd show you folks just for fun though.
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Re: Now here's an interesting little gun lock...

Postby mhole » 13 May 2014 16:06

You can pick tubular locks using regular picks - I had to pick a 7 pin for work on Saturday and had no tubular pick with me. Same process, just find something which let's you tension it. If anything, once it's tensioned is easier than a regular cylinder as the pins are so easily accessible.
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Re: Now here's an interesting little gun lock...

Postby GWiens2001 » 13 May 2014 16:08

True, mhole. Once you can tension it, a four pin tubular lock would be like a three pin Master lock.

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Re: Now here's an interesting little gun lock...

Postby billdeserthills » 13 May 2014 17:08

Actually I used to sell these guns, and I have seen the same lock on some computers. If you [EDITED to remove destructive entry techniques. Please save this type of information for the advanced forum. *MBI] I actually had to do that to a First Alert safe today. I used my dremel tool at first, but the lock I was working on was machined from aluminum and it kept clogging up my dremel cutters, so I wound up using my drill instead.
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Re: Now here's an interesting little gun lock...

Postby ARF-GEF » 15 May 2014 15:18

I can't believe a company actually suggests you should lock a gun (a killing tool at the end of the day) with a 4 pin tubular lock! :shock: :shock:
IMO that is not a suitable locking mechanism at all.
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Re: Now here's an interesting little gun lock...

Postby allan501 » 15 May 2014 16:05

Realistically a gun lock is not a security device it is more of a "stop and think" device.

Also if you think this is bad you should read this article by Marc Tobias which includes video of his three year old son bypassing various gun safes.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/marcweberto ... -year-old/

Now that is scary.
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Re: Now here's an interesting little gun lock...

Postby KPick » 15 May 2014 19:34

That little kid is a prodigy...
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Re: Now here's an interesting little gun lock...

Postby Divinorum » 16 May 2014 19:41

So many of the gun safes and security cabinets on the market are incredibly insecure. I myself had one of those stack on cabinets and thought it provided a good level of security before I became interested in locks. Now I know better than to rely on a double sided wafer lock. Deviant Ollam did a fantastic talk at Defcon 19 about gun safes that is a real eye opener.
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Re: Now here's an interesting little gun lock...

Postby Drifty Flintlock » 18 May 2014 22:06

Thanks for the info Bill, that definitely helped us get it open. I do plan to mess around with tubular locks, just not right now.
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Re: Now here's an interesting little gun lock...

Postby KPick » 18 May 2014 22:10

Drifty Flintlock wrote:Thanks for the info Bill, that definitely helped us get it open. I do plan to mess around with tubular locks, just not right now.


You'll find that tubular lock are much easier to pick than you think. They're basically exposed driver pins asking to be picked.
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