Auto Dialer

[ggpaintballer]

Are auto dialers legal to build and own? Does anyone have a page with the legal info. Everything I pull up is related to telemarketing auto dialers. I was thinking about building one as a project using a combo of machined and 3d printed parts. I could probably get it done with a few stepper motors, an arduino, some neodymium magnets and an atx power supply. Thoughts?

[Mikeh727]

Don't forget the flux capacitor!



-Mike

[GWiens2001]

Can't speak as to the legality. May be illegal in some states or municipalities, but doubt it would ever become an issue unless you are found using it on a bank after closing hours.

If you do make one, I'd love to see how you did it.

Gordon

[somenewguy]

I wouldn't worry about the legality if you never take it outside. Like anything else, it would be considered a burglar's tool if used in a break-in though.

It's been done on a hobby level before ( http://hackaday.com/2006/08/06/safe-autodialer/ ), I think the mechanics and code are not too difficult, but the real value in the commercial systems are the knowledge of the locking systems that the designers baked in to the product and (therefore) the shortcuts that can be programmed into the system. Brute force hacking comes down to who can add the most tricks to shave time off the process.

[somenewguy]

Here are two more which are even simpler:

http://hackaday.com/2006/07/13/automate ... -crackers/

http://hackaday.com/2013/05/14/master-l ... niversity/

This is the one I had in mind originally:

https://neil.fraser.name/hardware/locraker/

[Squelchtone]

Here are two more which are even simpler:

http://hackaday.com/2006/07/13/automate ... -crackers/

http://hackaday.com/2013/05/14/master-l ... niversity/

This is the one I had in mind originally:

https://neil.fraser.name/hardware/locraker/

I think he means a safe lock auto dialer like the ITL 2000

[ggpaintballer]

I do mean like the itl 2000. For the master locks they are exploiting masterlocks design, getting feedback while pulling on the shackle. I've seen the mit one before. That was a good example. Squelch, what safe exploits does the irl leverage? I'm looking at testing on an s&g. Other than some slop in the gates, like trying every 4 combos? I didn't know that the itl 2000 uses any other methods than a dumb brute force. Do you set the safe you are trying to auto dialer before starting to brute force it? What justifies the itl 2000's astronomical price?

[Squelchtone]

I do mean like the itl 2000. For the master locks they are exploiting masterlocks design, getting feedback while pulling on the shackle. I've seen the mit one before. That was a good example. Squelch, what safe exploits does the irl leverage? I'm looking at testing on an s&g. Other than some slop in the gates, like trying every 4 combos? I didn't know that the itl 2000 uses any other methods than a dumb brute force. Do you set the safe you are trying to auto dialer before starting to brute force it? What justifies the itl 2000's astronomical price?

It doesn't leverage any exploits, it is an exhaustive brute force attack of all possible combinations. You set it to either 3 wheel or 4 wheel and let it dial until the lock opens. To figure out if the lock is 3 or 4 wheels you do a few simple tests by turning the dial and feeling how many wheels it picks up. The only thing the ITL 2000 lacks is an email function to tell you when it is done. I've heard stories of a locksmith/safeman setting it up on Friday and coming back Monday morning to an unlocked safe, and who knows if it opened 15 mins after they set it up, or if it took 12 or 24 or 48 hours to reach the correct combination. It's not good for the customer to have their safe sitting in an unlocked position all day.

Why so expensive? Probably to keep anyone with a few hundred bucks from running out and buying one. If you consider a safe opening by a professional safe tech costs $750 on average, be it via an ITL, drilling and scoping, or manipulating by touch and feel and the tech's experience, all those hours and effort are worth a few grand.

We may not be able to discuss in more detail than this in the public area. Established members here who earn trust can apply to the Advanced area where we can get a lot more in depth on this topic. We mainly dont discuss details because it is too easy for someone unscrupulous to find our posts via a google search, and we dont want to arm bad guys with easy how to instructions.

Squelchtone

[ggpaintballer]

Got it. I meant the shortcuts you referenced, but I understand if you can't go into greater detail. Arduino has a wifi shield you can sitck on it. It probably wouldn't be too hard to get an smtp relay going for email notification.

[KPick]

That's effing cool man. Didn't know they made anything like that. I guess someone has thought about it in some other place

[CMS_SAFECRAKR1]

We have both the old Itl 1000 and the 2000 and i dont like to use them. half the time they dont work so i just manipulate or drill for the same amount. Dont get me wrong they are handy if you have a half dozen lockouts sitting in the back, but you have to understand manipulation and lock fuctions to properly use one ( in my opinion). Otherwise best luck and wishes

[ggpaintballer]

Yeah. I had started looking into this, then the other day I saw this article. Someone beat me to the punch
http://3dprint.com/19512/3d-printed-safecracking/

[MrTomorrow]

I've seen a lot of auto dialer you tube videos. The ITL-2000 is said to be good for Mosler 302's. A lot of high end safes won't let you dial in more than so many combinations before they shut down. But for older safes it looks like a good idea. Most law revolves around intent. If you intend to buy one to start a business or a hobby or to satisfy your curiousity I don't see any problems. Import duty might be expensive. I say go ahead and order one, amuse yourself, take an ad out in the paper. Look for Houdini's diary. Don't lock yourself out of life. https://www.spikesantee.com/Inspiration ... f-out.html