Government jobs

by **Biff** » 5 Nov 2003 15:15

As you probably know, there are special versions of LSS, and one of them, of course is the "government" edition. Now, I was wondering this. Are there any government jobs where you would actually use locksmithing skills? And does anyone know who you'd work for and what you'd do? I tried to do a little research but that yielded no results. Thanks for the responses :wink:

by **Varjeal** » 5 Nov 2003 15:22

There is a branch of locksmithing called "institutional locksmithing" which includes locksmiths who (working for the government) have clearance to work on locks such as those found in prisons, military sites, and places that require the highest level of security.

After all, someone's gotta look after those locks!

by **Biff** » 5 Nov 2003 15:26

Any idea on how you get certified so to speak, or get the job to look after said locks?

and I take it you probably have to have been working as a regular locksmith for an extended period of time

by **Pheniox** » 5 Nov 2003 15:29

if it requires a top secret clearence, fork over $25000 to the goverment and they will investigate you. They will have to know everywhere you have ever worked, lived, and so on since you were 16 or in the past 8 years. Then you have about 80 more questions to answer. Then they talk to everyone that you have listed that you know as references.

THEN you must have a job that needs access to the info. I personally found the info free on a navy website, but due to the fact I don't have the lockpicking NEC yeat, I cannot access it, and won't be able till I am goverment approved to pick locks.

by **Varjeal** » 5 Nov 2003 15:34

Well, depending on where you live, you'd first likely have to get journeyman certification status (CJL or CML) either from the ALOA (if your in the states) or in Canada get your CJL from one of the provinces that regulates in that area.

You would then need to find out what companies do work for the gov't(s) and get hired on there. You would also probably be required to have a lot of safe and vault experience, in which case joining an organization such as SAVTA, etc. would be beneficial.

Beyond of all of this, of course, you would want a spotless record and all the education and training you could get your hands on.

Working for an established company nowadays is probably your only source to get into that line of work.

It's not likely that any gov't would bid out work to a brand new company operated by someone they didn't know well.

by **Biff** » 5 Nov 2003 15:37

Phoenix, what kind of job? What I mean is this: Can you get a job as a locksmith for the navy, or some other government agency? Do you know of any agencies that have locksmithing as a full time job?

by **Biff** » 5 Nov 2003 15:38

I must have posted my last question at the same exact time as Varjeal, as he answered my question completely. Thanks a lot

by **Varjeal** » 5 Nov 2003 15:46

No prob. Don't get used to it though, it won't happen all the time.

Hehehe...

Phoenix: 25gr??? That's insane....I can believe it though. It's pretty tough for those gov't types to get someone to punch a couple of buttons. :shock:

by **Pheniox** » 5 Nov 2003 15:54

yea, thats why most people who work for the FBI or CIA are ex-military, because while you don't have to pay for the clearence, they don't want to waste that much on someone who might not pass it. So being ex-military WITH the clearence(there is military and civilian clearences) means that you can get the civilian one w/o risk of whoever loosing 25 grand

by **Biff** » 5 Nov 2003 16:16

yes and you need a security clearance to work for the cia

by **marso** » 30 Dec 2003 7:03

This post got me thinking, and web surfing.

Basically I can think of the following reasons:
1. Forensic Locksmiths (proving how they got in)
2. Facilitate entry for investigations
3. Facilitate entry for life saving measures (ie firemen)
4. Testing/certifying locks and security devices
5. Think of how many locks the goverment has, someone's got to maintain/install them

Some of the sites that gave me the above list:
http://www.iail.org/training.htm
http://www.security.org/dial-0/aboutilo.cfm

One of the funniest links i found:
http://usgovinfo.about.com/cs/jobsemplo ... alocks.htm

specially-designed locks that only baggage screeners working for the federal government can open.
http://www.boston.com/travel/articles/2 ... ds_access/

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by **okiewind** » 24 Mar 2004 11:04

On my base, the lock smiths are the facility engineers. I know that we had a sections cipher key go bad. MI and facility engineers came out. MI just stood around to make sure no compromise of security occurred.

It was interesting how the cipher lock was bypassed. Good old fashioned sledge hammer, with a new lock ready to install. It was really quite simple.

by **Pheniox** » 24 Mar 2004 16:56

yea, i had to pop a cipernet box today. i had the whole ADP shop, along with MA's and IAS watching to make sure i didn't do anything besides pop it. Kinda scary :S

by **R0gue** » 2 Apr 2004 0:08

i dont know about you guys, but ive been doing this since i was 13 and still to this day, i get really nervous when someone is watching me pick a lock... i dunno why :-

by **David_Parker** » 2 Apr 2004 6:41

You don't necessarily need to be in the government. Theres a group out in California called BlackPaw (BlackPond?) that consists of ex special forces that provide private security protection. They're currently in Iraq right now.

Jobs like that could probably allow you to gain the info.

I know the DoD has these two guys who service the safes for the Pentagon. x-09s and GSA standards up the whazoo. On a side note: on 9/11, when the plane hit, it melted a large number of safes. These guys got to open up all them with thermic lances and whatnot to retrieve documents.

Physical security assesment guys probably have access. I'm sure ULs group does too. (what I would do to work for ULs safe department)

-Dave

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